TIME - Travel Industry Mentor Experience
TIME - Travel Industry Mentor Experience
Turning Challenges into Opportunities: A Conversation with Sarah Hoskin on Personal and Career Growth
Here's a professional secret: You don't have to feel stuck in your career. Join us as we sit down with Sarah Hoskin, a Business Development Manager for Globus in Victoria, who shares how she turned challenges into opportunities with the help of TIME Mentoring program. Sarah's journey offers a fascinating look into the individual approach the program uses, accommodating each one's goals and aspirations, and how it led to her personal and career development after the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Sarah's relationship with her mentor David offers a candid insight into the mentorship process. Navigating through the initial overwhelm, Sarah found her path and transformed her mindset from feeling stuck to seeing obstacles as opportunities. We'll explore the transformation that mentorship can bring about, providing a reality check and a sounding board when needed the most. Plus, we'll share how this mindset shift can open doors for industry professionals like you.
Finally, we'll discuss the ever-changing travel industry and how challenges like time management and loss of experienced staff can actually create fresh opportunities. Sarah's ability to carve out time for professional development amidst the chaos serves as an inspiration for all. We'll also talk about our upcoming networking event in Melbourne, a must-attend for those looking to build meaningful relationships within the industry. Tune in for an enlightening conversation about expressing gratitude, making plans, and how TIME can revolutionize your career pathway.
Welcome back to the time podcast. Today we are joined by Sarah Hoskin. She's a business development manager at Globus in Victoria and she's looking after Victoria, southeast and Tasmania. Welcome to the podcast, sarah. And obviously I'm joined by my dear friend, timo. Welcome, timo. How are you?
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you, I know I'm fantastic. And Sarah, thank you so much for joining us today. The very first question is super easy. Has Arno introduced you correctly? Did he finally make a right announcement?
Speaker 3:No, he did. It was perfect. I worked for the Globus family of brands. That's the only criticism I could possibly make there.
Speaker 1:But no, it was perfect.
Speaker 3:It was even. You know, didn't actually set my last name correctly. I'm Hoskin, singular, not Hoskin, as people often say, plural. That's just one of me, so no, it was perfect.
Speaker 2:Thank you, arno, but that's actually just because the French people never pronounce the last letters Exactly Always silent.
Speaker 1:Remember that, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3:Remember that line from Captain Kin when.
Speaker 1:Kylie Minogue says to well, captain Kin, that you know in Chardonnay the hate is silent, so it should be pronounced card today. Remember that line.
Speaker 3:I love that. This is the way we've started off my interview with you.
Speaker 2:I'm already lost. I'm already lost, but let me try to find a way back into the actual topic. Sarah, I've unfortunately missed your graduation speech, so I'm not sure about your journey. Maybe that started at the very beginning. How did you hear about time to start with?
Speaker 3:Yeah, sure. So I first heard about time I would have been back in 2016. It was around the time of the Aftas National Travel Industry Awards. I sort of had heard about it a little bit and then, sort of that night, someone sort of shoved a flyer in my face and went, oh, you should do this, this would be really good for you. And I had a few peers in the industry in similar positions to me at the time who had also taken part in time or had sort of started it recently and then, sort of within the next year or so, sort of watching their journeys and just really seeing how it helped them with a bit of a mindset shift and just really helped them develop professionally. That's kind of when I first became aware of it. So it was on my radar for quite you know not to use the terrible pun, but for quite some time to actually do the time program. But at that particular point when I sort of first knew about it and thought, oh, this could be really good for me, I was at a point where I was about 10 overseas within the next sort of 12 months. So I thought, look, you know, I'll put this on the one day thing.
Speaker 3:It was only sort of when I got back from overseas. It was about sort of six months before the pandemic kicked off. So I was sort of settling back in. Hadn't lived in Melbourne for many, many years, so it was sort of adjusting to all that new role within a new company. So I sort of flagged it with my boss at that point look, I'd really love to do this, this mentorship program that's been on my radar for a while. And then at that point it was, you know, I was new at the company, so they kind of wanted me to get settled in, I guess, first, which is fair enough. And then, yeah, six months later, covid hit. So, yeah, we all know what that was about. So look at what it's sort of.
Speaker 3:Until, yeah, last year, I think, as definitely Melbourne was opening back up but things were sort of starting to get a bit more normal. That I guess I was. I was feeling really quite, as I'm sure many people were, particularly Victorians, but I was feeling really quite raw, really I guess, questioning what was happening with the industry, whether there was a future for me in it and what that future might look like, and so with that I guess it was the perfect timing. I just went to my boss and said, look, I've signed up for time, I want to do this, I'm going to go ahead and do this. That was basically it. So, yeah, so, and that was so. I became part of the program that started in late October 2020. What are we up to now? 23. So it was in yeah, 2022. And I've just graduated with the cohort at the June graduation up in Sydney. So that's kind of my. I mean how I got into time. I guess it was probably a bit more long wind than you are after, but that's how I first heard of time.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 3:I appreciate that you shared it.
Speaker 2:That you shared it so detailed. So from my understanding your, your motivation to join time was kind of to get clarity around the industry in general and potentially your general career pathway or it was kind of the things you wanted to get out of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was my main thing. And I mean you know you can listen to a few of the other interviews. I know that you've done like. I listened to the one with Holly Volato. It was also in my particular intake. I listened to yours with her just the other week and I think even her speech at the graduation as I know I know you were there you can attest to.
Speaker 3:She went into it with very, very clear goals about how she wanted to grow her business and what she wanted to do.
Speaker 3:I obviously went in with a very sort of different approach, coming from the wholesale side of things and working for other people as opposed to, in her case, you know, working for herself. So that's, I think, what's what's quite nice about the program as well. As long as your clear and sort of what you want to get out of it and express that well within the expression of interest, I found that the time Gordon committee really take that on board and actually try and map it, match you appropriately so that you know you can actually work on what you want to work on. So, yeah, I really like that. But that was definitely the case for me, kind of what I was hoping for was, I guess, a bit more clarity, a bit more direction and just probably a bit more hope in all honesty, because I was certainly feeling quite raw at that point and, yeah, working with my mentor David really, really helped me. I guess it was a big mindset shift and a bit of a reset for me.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, so how was the first? How was the first get together with David Did?
Speaker 3:you meet in person, was it?
Speaker 2:online, or how was that?
Speaker 3:Oh look, we're a little bit slow to start. In all honesty, david was overseas during the induction. I flew all the way to Sydney for the induction knowing he wasn't going to be there because he was overseas, which was all fine, but then my flight got in late and I missed the whole thing. He was overseas and then he got really been sick while he was overseas as well. So it was sort of this you know series of errors, I guess. So we're a little bit slow to finally actually start and meet up. We met up at a cafe sort of you know, not too far from where we both lived in Melbourne.
Speaker 3:It was really valuable for me having someone that I could, you know, actually go see in person. That was really nice, I guess, particularly after being on phones and screens all day. It was, yeah, really good to be able to do the one-on-one in person, but in all honesty, it was a little bit of a rough start, I think, like anything it's. It's sort of like dating, you know. Someone said, oh, you should meet this person and you meet them, that you're not really sure. I guess. You're trying to figure out what they're about and here you are being told, oh, there's this big matchmaking process and we take a lot into account.
Speaker 3:And you know, like it's not just we, we chuck two people together who happen to be in Melbourne like we've really put a lot of effort into this, and you're sort of sitting there trying to figure this other person out and sort of questioning. You know, is this the right match? Like, is this all just a bit of BS? I'm not sure. So, look, david was lovely. He. He's the managing director of Leonegob. He's had. He's also one of the founding members of the entourage travel group as well. Yes, thank you. I had a moment where I went oh god don't call there
Speaker 3:anything. So look he, and he just has this incredible wealth and experience, like a whole range of it, from his many years in the industry during many different levels. So I think first time I met him I was a little bit, I guess, going oh my god, I'm a little bit overwhelmed. Here I am, you know, meeting this managing director who's done all these amazing things, and here I am sitting here basically saying the reason I'm doing time is because I'm feeling really stuck. How am I supposed to bring that up and still sound professional? You know like this is really overwhelming. And then, I guess, david, really chatty guy, once he got him going he just proceeded to tell me all this stuff, about all these things he'd done, and he was just talking and talking, and talking. And I think by the our second or maybe third session I sort of hit a bit of a point where I was like this is all great, david, but you know when can we talk?
Speaker 3:about me which then he he could read that pretty well. He's not a stupid man by any means is obviously pretty emotionally intelligent. So I think it was coming out of our. Maybe it was out there at a fourth session, but he actually he stopped and he said to me just as we were leaving he goes okay. So did you feel like you got something out of this one? So yeah, that was, that was how it all started. Started for us, I guess.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, no, it was, that's an awesome story I love it yeah, I really appreciate that you talk about that because I remember, obviously, I was there at your graduation and at the meeting before with with the other mentees and some of them, you know, were graduating on the same day as you and and and and I really appreciate the fact that you're saying that you talk about that dating aspect right where you don't really know what you, you you're gonna get your, you know um on the first that you meet. And there's a bit of that apprehension and I think that there was a few mentees there that had that the same, the same feeling and I mean I, I can say that it was the same thing for me.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure about team of you know it's a lot more confident than me, so it would probably be a very different experience, um. But but I appreciate that you actually share that, because there's probably other people that want to join the program today that are questioning about that as well, that you know, like when they go into into that very first meeting with the mentor, they're probably a little bit scared about it and um.
Speaker 3:But but how did, how did your relationship develop, you know, throughout the program, um yeah, look, I mean it's sort of a hard one right, because you do this with a lot of confidentiality in mind and you you have outlines sort of what you want to achieve and obviously you know it feels a bit funny sort of keep re-affiring. Back to the episode you did with Holly, but I think you know hers really stood out for me because her and Matt's relationship was very and kind of how goal focused she was and how clear she was on what she wanted to achieve. Was was very different to what I went into it with. Like I was probably a lot more vague, um, a bit more lost, you know, with with what I wanted to do, so kind of what me and David would try to work through. Was was very just different. The whole relationship and the whole approach to it was different. Um, as it sort of progressed, I guess it was a lot of unpacking, a lot of, you know David sharing things but then also asking me hard questions, and a lot of it came down to, you know, ultimately these are the questions that I came to the program for, um, these are the challenging questions that I couldn't sort of unpack just sitting in my room thinking it worked by myself.
Speaker 3:But he, he was really good in the way he listened and prompted and used examples from his own experience and I guess sort of as it progressed, you know, just different things would come up. He'd set me different tasks that he thought would sort of help with various things, and it just sort of became this really natural progression of okay, well, I've had this idea, what do you think? And you know, we had this bit of a bit of a joke where, um, even when we're talking about, you know, broadening my network and things like that, and talking to people you know, like, how do you start what? What do you talk about? And just the importance of having a network.
Speaker 3:The big thing about it is it's just having those people you can check in with every so often and and just kind of get that reality check and a bit of a sounding board and just go hi, I've had this crazy idea Is this, is this a good idea? You know it, is it a good idea or am I just a little bit insane? Am I completely off track with this? And that's, I guess you know sort of what I, what I got out of it as we went along. It was just David was really that person for me that I could just check in and go. You know, am I on the right track or is this completely off? Is this bonkers and what, what it was? It was really good for me as well.
Speaker 3:I sort of had the advice early on and I think they mentioned this in the induction was, you know, make sure you've got clear idea of what you want to achieve, but make sure as well you don't lose the time like as much as it seems like at the start. You know, six months, two hours every fortnight or however you want to format it with your mentor. That's kind of the idea, right, and it seems like a lot of time that as things sort of pick up, it does take a while to get into and as things do sort of progress, you find that time goes really really quickly. So I Think you do you have to be careful to sort of stay on track as well, very much unlike this conversation where I'm going on many turns.
Speaker 1:No, you're fine, actually not, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know the time does go quickly and I think, um, you know, a few things happened personally for me and with public holidays and Christmas and Easter and all these things in the way and a bit of travel on on both my and David's parts, which meant we actually ended up sort of completing the program in a bit of a longer time frame. That was intended it didn't up being you know longer than that sort of six months, but the timing of it actually just was so opportune because there were a few challenges I was facing in the workplace right towards the end of the program. It was getting to this really sort of crucial point and it was just so nice to have David there To be able to go. Okay, this has happened this week. You know how do I deal with it sort of things. So, yeah, it was great. The whole experience was really interesting in that respect, sorry.
Speaker 2:I just want to pick up on something that you said. Yeah, I'm not sure if you've seen on the time LinkedIn group or page or Account the survey for intro and extrovert. Yeah, on the last podcast that hasn't been published yet we had a bit of a discussion that, interesting enough, a lot of people in in travel, while being very outgoing and very, you know, on the presenting mode all the time, seem to be extroverts, but I actually introverts, so I know it's obviously very clearly an introvert. I'm much more introvert than I know, even and you just spoke about you know, you, you learned what to talk about and that's working functions. How to start the conversation Now, please, from I would assume you're an extrovert, just from how I perceive you correct me if I'm wrong From an extrovert to two introverts, one being in French, the other one being, you know, old, 40 plus, in German. How do we start a good conversation?
Speaker 3:Oh, that's a big question. Um, look funny. You say that actually because I've, I think I realized during Koi that I'm actually much more extroverted than I thought, but I'm very close to that middle line of Introvert, extrovert. I'm in a very extroverted role and yet, funnily enough, I'm probably slightly more introverted. I'm just an extrovert, introvert.
Speaker 3:But look, I think the biggest thing, I think starting a conversation, you just start somewhere, you just start. You know, I think I went into it going okay, I want this list of questions that I want to ask David to pick his brain throughout this. But at the end of the day, no matter who you're sitting in front of, no matter, you know what your mentor has done and you know how impressive you might, you know, deem them to be initially and how that can be a little bit intimidating. I guess David was very clear from the start. He's like don't worry about that, I'm a person, just a person, who's done some stuff. And it's the same in any wolf of life, right like, at the end of the day, you're sitting across from just another person. You know they've got their own problems, they've got personal stuff going on. You know COVID was a shared experience for many that you know, was quite unique in itself. I think, just start somewhere, anywhere. Yeah, I don't know if that's Amazing that's.
Speaker 3:That's how I approach conversations. People are just people.
Speaker 1:That's really really good, all the things that you, that you spoke to. Like, okay, you said that you think that you went and you went on a tangent a bit, but I, I don't think so. I think that you've unpacked a lot of stuff and then you've basically answered a lot of Questions that a lot of mentees, when they want to be part of this program, you know asking themselves and you know in terms of fears that they might have, and and I think that you've addressed a lot of them. So those, those goods, thank you.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
Speaker 1:You know, like you basically Listening to you, basically all the questions that we would have asked you know, are the other other people coming on the podcast? You basically answered all of them and I think it's great. So you know like, yeah, I need to thank you for this because it was Pretty good so you don't have to ask you questions now We've done.
Speaker 3:We should wrap up over her.
Speaker 2:You wish, you wish not. They are any more questions.
Speaker 3:Don't you worry hit me with the next ones. What else is next? What do you want to know?
Speaker 2:I want to know actually, how have you changed before compared to after the program? What are you differently on your day-to-day a professional life now?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, look yeah again a lot.
Speaker 3:Look, I mean and this is a thing I sort of it was hard for me writing my expression of interest because I was going from this position, as I sort of mentioned, of just Feeling really stuck and going I want to progress, but I don't know how to do it. I know I need to increase my network, but I don't know how to do it. I've been stuck inside for a few years. I feel like I'm, you know, losing my mind a little bit, like, basically, where do I go from here, whereas, again, holly was going. This is what I want to do, this is what I want to achieve. So, really, really sort of different approaches, right? I sort of also wrote in my expression of interest that I I Sort of knew vaguely these were the things I wanted to get a bit more clarity on and a bit more direction on. But I also just knew that there would be more I would take out of the program and things I would learn or ships I would make that I would not be able to define at that particular point, like they would be things that came up as you just learn from talking to someone with that much experience, right, and that was why it was. I was just, you know, absolutely stoked that I had someone in David's position with that much experience and that much maturity, because to be able to pick his brain and, you know, really draw from that just wealth of experience was just incredible for me. So Probably the overarching thing and I did mention this in my speech the overarching thing I got, which was really valuable for me, was a mindset shift, quite simply and I think David was very smart, he saw from very early on that that was something I needed Just getting to a lot more of a positive position where I could just really look at the industry and look at my position In it moving forward and see Challenges of opportunities and just see everything a bit more positively. That was huge for me. I sort of knew I needed it but I just Couldn't have told you that when I started the program. I deep down I knew it but I just I couldn't have named it. And that mindset shift, that was the most valuable thing for me.
Speaker 3:And I don't know whether David was really clear that that's what he was doing at the start. He kept saying to me along the way oh, don't worry, there's reasons I'm getting you to do this, or you know, I think I know why they've got just up and, yeah, I can see qualities in you, and then I go Well, what are they? And he wouldn't tell me. He's like I want you to think about yourself. Yeah, I like look whether he was. I'm sure he probably. He's a very smart man. He probably was very conscious. That's exactly what he was doing, but that was. He obviously saw that that's what I needed the most. Everything else after that would just start opening up doors. And that was the most valuable thing I got out of. It was the mindset she was for sure Love that.
Speaker 2:So with you, with you with your new mindset. If you now look at the industry, obviously the environment has changed over the last eight months when you did a program as well as you. Yeah, what are the? What are the newest trends that you kind of observe in the industry? What's? What's the market demand? What does oh?
Speaker 3:look, I don't know what does challenge you in business yeah.
Speaker 3:So I mean just from where we're standing with the company I work for, travels back. We've all known that for quite some time. It might look slightly different. The booking trends are probably, you know, not necessarily back to where they were pre-pandemic yet, but we all know the business is there. What's really exciting, probably for the company I'm working for at the moment, is that we're we're traditionally with, you know, coach touring and river cruising. You need a bit longer lead in time. You can't necessarily do as much with last-minute bookings. So for the Australian market it's really important we have that lead in time. So it's nice to, I guess, see some of those trends Go slightly back to where they were pre-pandemic, which we've started seeing a shift to like. We are seeing the shift to people starting to plan for 2024 now and actually starting to book, which is really exciting. So, look, that's probably the biggest thing thing I've seen. Yeah, from my experience, without obviously giving too much away. I'm sorry, was there a second part of that question? I missed him, oh.
Speaker 2:The challenges in business, but I think you kind of explained them, with the changing booking window and obviously adjusting to that, I would assume yeah, look, yeah, that's always there.
Speaker 3:I think the other challenges for where we're standing, I mean it's, you know, it's gonna be the fact that we've lost so many people out of the industry. Right, there's a lot of agencies that have closed up. There's there's so much work but there's so few experienced stuff and that's definitely a challenge. But it's a really great challenge, I guess, great problem to have because it means there's a lot, of, a lot of money to be made and a lot of bookings which can be made. So, as much as for a lot of agents, it is really really tough and continues to be so. Another shift I have seen is it's not just, I guess, me with that mindset shift and being a bit more positive, I'm definitely noticing a lot of our trade partners are a lot more positive and a lot more excited. Now as well. You can, you can see that shift in everyone down in Victoria, that's for sure. So, still challenging, but yeah, it's, it's travels back and I guess it's exciting a lot of you might only remembering why they're, why they're in the industry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how do you make out of that busy environment that we're all in at the moment, especially since you know the last lockdown ended, didn't get, didn't get less busy? How do you make time for time? Because I know and I hear lots I don't have time for time. Yeah, easy, I have whatever I have. Have to feed my cat, I have to do my, do you have?
Speaker 3:we keep talking about hair today. Those who are listening? We had a whole conversation about Arno's hair just before we no one said anything.
Speaker 3:Really and I know it's like anything right, you just you have to decide what you want to prioritize, and for me it was. I need to prioritize my own professional development and I won't have these opportunities to do it Otherwise. So I just quite frankly decided it was a priority. Um, yeah, I think that's all it is really. You, you find you make the time, and it's never gonna be the perfect time. Everyone always has other commitments.
Speaker 3:Um, you know, in my particular circumstance, I had a lot of things in my personal life come up during the program, which which did mean, unfortunately, you know, david and I couldn't get as much consistency with the flow of our meetings. Like, there was a period there where we sort of didn't meet up for almost a month, um, just because there was all this other stuff that neither of us could control going on. So, yeah, that was, you know, difficult, but at the end of the day, you're just so determined you know that we're gonna do these sessions and and do the program that you just you make it work. If it's something you really want to do, you can always find time for it.
Speaker 1:Love that.
Speaker 1:I'm glad that you're highlighting that it's not rigid, it's adaptable. It also really adapts to the professional commitments that both the mentor and the mentee have and somehow you make it work right and I think that for some people there are listening that again that probably would see that as an obstacle to join the program. It can be in their own time right. It doesn't have to be, like you say, six months with a regular schedule which is like every week or every two weeks and that amount of hours, and it flows a little bit better than that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you make it work based on what works for you and your mentor right, and I think that's a really important part as well. You invest quite a bit to do this program a lot of the time I know many people who've self-funded it, but also your mentors are giving up their own time.
Speaker 3:And these are often really high-up industry people with a lot of other commitments, so for them to be able to volunteer their time, to be part of this and be of such high quality, and to be able to give their own time. Like you know, of course, you can find time in your own schedule if it's something you want to do, have you had much time to participate in the networking events.
Speaker 1:I know that you were there at your graduation in Sydney, so I know that you were there at that event. But what about the ones in Melbourne? Have you been able to check them out?
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, so just prior to the program, Intrepid hosted one that, of course, the beautiful Ingrid organized last year, and that was when I was sort of considering it's now the right time for me to do it.
Speaker 3:So I went along to that one and immediately I was like yes, of course this is the time to do time, but, yeah, since the program I've been to all the Melbourne events, which have been fantastic.
Speaker 3:Ingrid does an incredible job trying to foster a bit of a community down here, because we don't. You know, I've lived in Sydney, lived to work, to travel in both Sydney and Melbourne now, and it's completely different. Like, a lot of head offices are in Sydney and it can be sort of hard, even though, yes, ok, melbourne's a major city and I know it's easier here than it is in. You know, your Brisbane, your Adelaide's, your Perth's do things like that, but it's still. We don't necessarily get the same exposure down here through that networking and I just think it really is worth noting. Ingrid does an incredible job with what she tries to do down here and anyone who is listening to this, I would strongly encourage you, whether you're a mentor, mentee, even considering during the program, please come along to the first graduation in Melbourne event she's putting on on the 4th of September. It will be fantastic and I know she's putting a lot of work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 3:Please come along.
Speaker 2:We've done really well, shout out to Ingrid, there was actually a project, absolutely it was actually a project two years in the making. I still remember the committee meeting when Ingrid said I want to have a graduation ceremony in Melbourne.
Speaker 3:She's finally getting it.
Speaker 2:She's finally getting it so happy to know her.
Speaker 3:She does an incredible job. She does an incredible job and puts in so much effort, so it's very much appreciated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm looking at a bit of a tradition that we talk about fashion on this podcast. I don't even know. I literally seriously I don't even know why this came up. It must have come with with Anno joining at some stage and suddenly everyone talks about fashion. Don't know why, anyhow. So the question for you we just have your fashion knowledge here, right? To be able to recognize the brand that Anno is wearing today is beautiful Royal Navy blue jumper.
Speaker 3:No, I would have no idea.
Speaker 2:Ok, I know you want to reveal that you that, as a French person, you wear a German brand. Would you like to?
Speaker 3:share that with the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's a German brand but I bought it in a flagship store in Paris, on the Champs-Élysées, of course.
Speaker 2:Still an export, my friend Still an export.
Speaker 3:So this has nothing to do with the fashion. Really, you're just pitching your nationalities against each other.
Speaker 1:Is that what we're doing here? Not at all, not at all.
Speaker 3:Nothing like a bit of, you know, German rivalry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, look, I was trying to match with this beautiful face who says it's German?
Speaker 3:So you?
Speaker 1:know, I blend. It.
Speaker 3:I was trying to be nice, Tim. I was trying to be nice.
Speaker 2:Got it. Got it, not problem at all. But we do have an actual traditional topic here as well, which is Arnault's favorite question. So, arnault, I'm thinking, now it's time for you to ask, sorry for me to ask that question.
Speaker 1:Look, you know, it's been a bit of a tradition where we ask people to you know Tim or Leibos as a dark secret, but we want to know something you know about you that not everyone knows. You know some, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 3:No, go on. Oh, I mean, I was trying to.
Speaker 2:I was just trying to encourage Arnault to share one of his dark secrets.
Speaker 3:Yeah, go on, yeah, you start.
Speaker 1:Look, I've got a lot of dark secrets, the one that I will share today on the podcast. I used to work in commercial television when I lived in France and yeah, I mean, a lot of people know about that. I used to be a producer on a few talk shows that were broadcast on national commercial television stations. Yeah, and I've met a few celebrities in my time. That's my dark secret. If that helps, that's a dark secret.
Speaker 3:I don't know if that's a really dark one. I mean, I'm not going to say all the things that happened there, but yeah, that's where I'll stay.
Speaker 3:Oh look, the first thing that came to mind when I thought should I share this one? But it's in my head now and I've started talking, so I might as well. Look, I wouldn't say it's dark by any means, but it is ridiculous and I'm probably going to regret sharing it. Something that came to mind that not everyone knows I'm actually incredibly uncoordinated. I lived in Canada for a couple of years.
Speaker 3:I worked in a retail job at Big White Ski Resort just a few years before COVID and, given my uncoordinated nature and someone's exceptional cleaning skills, while I was working I actually ran into a glass door, like full-fledged ran into a glass door, face planted, left the shape of my face on this very clean door. The best bit was I'd met all my colleagues about a week beforehand and most of them were standing in the room on the other side of the glass door. It was hilarious Because we were on a ski resort as well. Any workplace incidences that happen, you have to call Ski Patrol and document it. It's like your workplace health and safety. So from that point I had to go sit in my new boss's office with a plastic bag full of snow on my face with a very swollen lip, while we waited for Ski Patrol to come and check whether I'd broken the tooth. So there you go, dark secret. I'm incredibly uncoordinated.
Speaker 1:Awesome. I thought you were going to say that you were, like, related to Kylie buttock, and that's what I was expecting.
Speaker 3:No, no, it's okay. What's with all the?
Speaker 2:Kylie buttock today like literally what's going on there.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask Kylie at the moment. I don't know why, Hi. Who would have thought so?
Speaker 2:Maybe you can send us your TikTok offer, a newest offer, a newest predominant thing.
Speaker 3:Timur, what's your dark secret?
Speaker 2:My dark secret. My dark secret is very easy I'm a very public person despite being an introvert, so there's no real secret as such. Oh wow, oh yes, this is actually not a secret. It was actually a very, very descriptive story for my characters. I'm a very first day at primary school. So in Germany, when you're like nearly six, you go to primary school, obviously, and your parents drop you there usually and you get like presents and blah, blah, blah. Then you have your first class, the parents leave and you obviously sit in there and I was bored AF and at some stage I told the teacher she can call me if she actually does something that's valuable, and I left and went home Vicious.
Speaker 1:Silent.
Speaker 2:What you were just sitting there doing, silly.
Speaker 3:There you go. That's a dark secret.
Speaker 2:While writing exercises and I just thought like seriously, I'm wasting my time here.
Speaker 3:We're really having a range of non-related time things today.
Speaker 1:That's why, yeah, exactly we do Probably, we know glass doors and teachers that we don't like.
Speaker 3:So I think we've done very well.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you so much for your time, Timur.
Speaker 1:I learned that David was your shrink, that he made sure that you were not insane. It's all you choose, not out of it, which is basically my reference to share now, after Kylie Minogue.
Speaker 2:That's not for that. Anno got a haircut.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Anno got a haircut. We've learned so many things, haven't we?
Speaker 1:No, it's true, Look.
Speaker 3:I can't speak more highly of David. He was a fantastic mentor. I was incredibly lucky to be a match with him. Yeah, I know I said let the graduation, but I'm so appreciative of Penny and all the board and committee and the work they do with this program because it's something that people like me, simply in the industry, wouldn't have exposed to otherwise. So, yeah, really thrilled to have been able to do it, thrilled for the amount of time and energy that David put in. Yeah, it's absolutely incredible Can't speak of him highly enough and very appreciative as well to be part of the great network and see all the networking functions in Melbourne moving forward.
Speaker 2:You may also come back to Sydney. You're still welcome, don't you worry.
Speaker 3:Thanks. A bit too pricey for me.
Speaker 2:Oh well, you said. You said that the source of discounted travel.
Speaker 3:So you should have an opportunity to make it affordable.
Speaker 2:Anyhow, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it that you take the time out of your busy schedule and talk to us so detailed and honest about your experience. Thank you.
Speaker 1:I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Awesome. I hope I see you soon in person as well, I missed your graduation speech, but doesn't mean we can't have a drink together, right?
Speaker 3:True that, true that.
Speaker 2:Awesome, see you down in.
Speaker 3:Melbourne, Tuneau.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look, I'm actually every now and then I'm travel to Melbourne. I'll let you know when I'm around. For sure, sounds good, for sure. And now, thank you for making an announcement today as in a welcome. That was kind of in line with what the guest actually does in their life.
Speaker 1:That was amazing to see One two, three Thank you One, two.
Speaker 3:That was great.
Speaker 2:Only upwards from here, right, all right guys. Thank you so much, see you.
Speaker 3:Have a good night. Thank you, you too. Bye.
