TIME - Travel Industry Mentor Experience
TIME - Travel Industry Mentor Experience
Rising Stars and the Making of Female Travel Executives through Mentoring
When former catwalk model Arno, never so good at catwalking Timo and the amazing Kylie Wapp from ANZCRO bring their vibrant energy to our podcast, you know it's going to be a memorable exchange. This episode is an enthralling journey through professional development, complete with the candid tales of navigating mentorship waters. Kylie, under the guidance of industry stalwarts like TIME superstar Ingrid Berthelson and her supportive CEO, candidly shares her ascent from state BDM to national account manager and her aspirations, painting a vivid picture of TIME mentorship's transformative effect on career trajectories.
Ever wondered what a 'business therapist' might look like? Our conversation humorously reveals just that as we recount the first-time jitters of meeting mentors and how these relationships evolve into cornerstones for personal and professional growth. Arno's unique perspective sheds light on the importance of networking, despite geographic challenges, and we find solace in sharing tales from the mentorship trenches. It's a rollercoaster ride of emotions and insights, guaranteed to bring both laughter and a deep appreciation for the bonds formed through mentorship.
To cap off, we dive into the empowering narrative of women making strides in the travel industry. Gender-specific events, leadership challenges, and overcoming self-imposed barriers are all on the agenda, as we explore the landscape of female empowerment in professional spaces. Kylie's recent academic TIME triumph serves as a beacon for all listeners, proving that with the right guidance and tenacity, the sky's the limit. Join us for a session that promises to leave you inspired, a tad more knowledgeable, and eager to embrace the power of mentorship in your own life.
Hello and welcome back to episode three of season four of the Time Podcast and I have the great pleasure to introduce again once more the colourful, the pride, the out and about former catwalk model Arno. Welcome back.
Speaker 2:Hi Timo, thank you very much. How are you going today?
Speaker 1:Absolutely fantastic. Always a pleasure to be in a studio with you and it's a more pleasure to have a guest with us again. Yes, so today.
Speaker 2:I guess is not Kylie Minogue, but it's Kylie Wop. She's a national account manager at Ansqrow. She's a Kiwi in Queensland. Welcome Kylie, how are you?
Speaker 3:Hi guys, thanks for having me on the podcast and very excited. First time on a podcast, hopefully not the last, so be kind, but yeah, I'm really excited to be here and share some of my thoughts today.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. We can't wait to hear what you have to say about your time with time, kylie and I'm sure Kylie Minogue is by far the worst guest, so we're very happy to have you here and to hear about your time with time. Let's get all the way to the beginning. The very first time you heard about time, can you tell us a little bit about that and what your initial thoughts were, and how did that actually then go into you applying to become a mentee?
Speaker 3:Thanks, Timmo Gosh. Look, I heard about time quite a few years ago. It would have been pre-COVID. I knew industry colleagues that had gone through the program and they'd always spoken really highly of it and what they got out of it and so it was always at the back of my mind that, gosh, one day I would love to be able to do that.
Speaker 3:And then COVID happened like a lot got stood down, did a few other things and then, as travel restarted, I came back into the industry, moved back to Australia and very lucky to start and sales with Anne's Crow again and Guthry, who's our CEO, had been in Sydney at an event with Penny and she was talking to him about the time program and he kind of came back to the office and was talking to me about it and he said, oh gosh, it'd be really great if we supported that program. And I was like, well, hold on, nick, before we support someone else, let's support me through the program. So he was 100% on board with that. And then it was really down to me on when I thought I could actually fit the program in and that was probably the biggest hurdle to get across, I think, like a lot of people in the industry. Our sales team shrunk quite a bit post COVID.
Speaker 3:Anne's Crow went from a team of about six pre COVID with a national sales manager. They had about four or five BDMs on the road and then a full time sales coordinator and so it was a really busy period and I was like how can I take on any more? And I was like I really want to do the program. I'm not going to get a benefit from it, but how can I fit it in? And I'm going to have to give a shout out to Ingrid Bedelson here, who's the time person in Victoria. I caught up with her before I applied for the program and I kind of spoke through what I thought some of the challenges might be. Ornce, you gave me great advice, so she's a great advocate for time, and she was kind of like when you're overwhelmed, when you're struggling with a new role, that is the moment that you will need time the most and you actually get the most out of doing the program. And obviously it was a hundred percent right. So thank you, ingrid, I'm so glad I took your advice.
Speaker 2:Thank you, ingrid. I have us done it Actually really good advice.
Speaker 1:While we talk about Ingrid as a great podcast recording with Ingrid and that was before I know join me. I think episode a, season two, episode five or something. So whoever wants to listen to that, please tune in. And Malkali you mentioned back to you. You did mention that you knew before you would get something out of the program. That's valuable. What was your motivation, your KPI's, your expected outcome and your client? What did you want to get out of it?
Speaker 3:Well, I think for me, I was so used to being a state BDM.
Speaker 3:I was a really, I think, engaged BDM and I was out on the road, regional a lot, seen my agents, and then moving to a new role as a national account manager. I think when I first went in there I'm thinking, well, I'll just be a state BDM for every state in this role, and you work out pretty quickly that Australia is quite big and that's not very practical. So I suppose what I was really wanting from the program was just some strategies on how I could do better in that role as a national account manager, so with how I could still provide a really great service to our breakthrough partners, but it also something that was manageable for one person as well. So I kind of knew what I needed to do, but I wasn't quite sure how I could get there, and so I wanted a little bit of a guidance around that.
Speaker 3:But also, I think, like everybody, when you're doing the time program, you want to look at your own growth as well. You know where is it that you want to go in your career and kind of, what steps can you take to ensure that you get there. So I had a couple of different things that I wanted to do going in and was hoping I'd be able to get out the thumbs out of it. That would work for me.
Speaker 1:And so the first time you went to a networking event and you saw Ano, what were your thoughts?
Speaker 3:Well, I am really ashamed to admit this, ano, but I don't think I've actually met you yet.
Speaker 2:No, I mean.
Speaker 3:I was Melbourne based and now I'm in Brisbane. So I just don't think you've come to my space and I feel like in the Sydney events we must have crossed paths. So I think that has to be the top of our to do list to actually connect.
Speaker 1:I'm actually about to get a heart attack. Like really, how did that happen?
Speaker 3:I know you need to come to the other states. Ano, Come for a visit.
Speaker 2:Look, yeah, and then last week you were. You were at an event that I was at and I don't even think that I saw you. I was looking for you because I think that you said that you were there and I don't think that I saw you.
Speaker 3:So at a force for good and that was an amazing event. I got so much out of that I think everyone attending did and I mean it was incredible. There must have been 500 people there Friends of mine that were there. I didn't even realise until afterwards that they were there, so that was fantastic. Same we really try to get to those events.
Speaker 2:I saw it on LinkedIn. You know, like in the following days, that people were there and I was like, ok, well, how did I miss that? But you know, when you have all these events where there's so many people in a room and also you're in the moment, you want to get something out of the event rather than just like the networking part, and that's that's why you miss to catch up with with people that you, that you know from the industry. So I apologise, kylie, I didn't, I didn't see you, but it was a good event, wasn't it?
Speaker 3:Oh, I absolutely loved it. No, I took a while lot. There was some great speakers and I thought the panels were fantastic, and not just the ones on the women in leadership, but also on, you know, our role and industry in regards to sustainability. So I took a lot away from that and, you know, I hope that I might get to start doing my small part in that moving forward. So that was really great.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to ask if you if you take that event as an example that I have attended but I have an idea what the atmosphere was and compare that to a time networking event, what's the significant difference between the two of them?
Speaker 3:Yeah well, I think you know events like the one we went to, you know we're sitting back, we're taking in what other people are saying. I think the nice thing about a time event and it is completely different is that you're actually engaging with that other person. So if you've got senior leaders there, which they're always up at the time networking events, you've actually got that opportunity to talk one on one with them and get some great feedback from them and to hear their story as well. I went to a time mailman event just a couple of weeks ago and that was amazing. Pcc sponsored it and then the guest speaker was in from Magellan, so it was really great to hear his story and have it with him after.
Speaker 3:I think that's nice. You actually as an individual get to, you know, have a little bit of back and forth and ask your own questions. So, yeah, it is a little bit different. And then it's nice because you the time community is very welcoming, so kind of once you've met someone once or twice you go to another event that's outside time and you'll see them there. So then you're like, oh well, I know that person, you'll go and have a chat and then they might introduce you to others as well. So, yeah, I've really enjoyed it, yeah.
Speaker 1:I had a similar experience with my first networking events and obviously in the beginning you don't know a lot of people in the room. You might have heard about them, but obviously you haven't spoken to them, which sometimes makes it even a little bit more daunting. So I really appreciate always that welcoming and inclusive character, no matter what your background is. I'm obviously from a hotel, so I'm not a super expert in travel as such, but still people you know really are happy to share their knowledge and educate you or just give you advice or just listen, whatever it is. Yeah, but before the networking events do happen, you obviously not being Sydney based Were you able to attend any of the workshops? If so, which one was it? What were your thoughts around that? Did you take something out of it that you can use in your daily job life, or was it more general knowledge? Can you tell us a bit more about your workshop experience?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it was a bit tricky for me because I was based in Melbourne at the time. I did try to come up, though, whenever I was in a way for work. I think I made about two of them throughout the program and one of them we had one on LinkedIn. You know I'm, I'd say, semi-active on LinkedIn, but just some of the really practical, useful tools that we got from the workshop was really handy for me, things that I didn't even know you could do on LinkedIn. So I found it really, really useful and I'm just sure if I have opportunities in the future to go to the Sydney ones, I would go, because I think they are you know, really really helpful.
Speaker 3:But also while you're doing the program, even before the workshop, you have your little mentee session as well and you get the part to bring you know, talk to each other about you know how you're going through the program and things like that, and ask questions, and I found that really useful as well.
Speaker 1:All right. Now the big question. Tell us all about the very first time you met your mentor. How was that? What was going through your head just before? Were you nervous, Were you excited? Were you scared? Were you overly, Overly joyful? How did it go for you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I met my mentor, who's Terry Uman's. He's the director of sales and marketing at the Radisson Blue and I met him the day I went and did my induction. So I didn't know what to expect because I didn't know him prior. He's in hotels, so slightly different sector, but very obviously transferable skills. I didn't know about him, so I didn't know what to expect and I was like, oh God, you know what's going to happen the first time I see him.
Speaker 3:So we went to the induction, penny did her welcome and we got introduced to our mentors. And then you come, sit down and you have that first chat and it's a little bit nerve-racking because you're like, oh God, I feel like I'm almost at a job interview. You know what happens if he doesn't like what I have to say. So it's a little bit nerve-racking. But look, I was really lucky. I had a fantastic mentor. You know he was really welcoming to me, he was really engaged throughout the process and you know, you've got to have a lot of credit to these mentors, because they don't personally get anything out of it. They're not paid to do it and they're all very busy people who take a significant amount of time out of their schedule to actually work on you. So I was always really grateful that he took the time.
Speaker 3:And yeah, so that first conversation I kind of went through some of the things that I wanted to get out of the program, why I had entered the program and things like that, and he kind of pulled on some of those little strings just to get a little bit more from me and we just kind of, I suppose, developed a plan. We kind of worked out how we would do the stephen. We was based in Sydney, I was based in Melbourne, so we did a hybrid. So whenever I was in Sydney we always had a meeting in person and I'd been in Sydney about like once a month. So that worked out really well. And then kind of the other fortnight we would just do a virtual training wherever I was in Australia. It was a nice mix that worked really well for both of us. But it's so funny In that first induction meeting with Penny she always says now, your mentor is not your personal therapist.
Speaker 3:And I agree with that. But I'll tell you what they're definitely a great business therapist, and I think a few people that have done the program have probably said similar things to you. Because you know you go in with a plan and then something might come up that week and you're like you're just offloading, really aren't you, and you're getting it all out, and then you kind of clear the air and it's like right, what have you learnt from that? You know what are you going to do. You know you can't complain. What are you going to do? What have you learnt? And no, it was really really good.
Speaker 2:It's really interesting you talk about therapies, because sometimes you know, I think that Timo is kind of my therapist, but that's a story for another time.
Speaker 3:Oh, I thought you're about to say you needed a therapist because of Timo.
Speaker 2:I probably need another one.
Speaker 1:Oh, I like it.
Speaker 2:Okay, probably do you need a therapist now.
Speaker 1:I need a therapist because of all the patients he always makes towards me just because I'm German.
Speaker 2:A different. Many comments that you were German. You have good hair you know I just make comments about the way you look. That's how I do.
Speaker 1:You always complain about my style, my fashion. Anyhow that's a different topic.
Speaker 2:How did that relationship between the two of you develop over time? I mean, you say that you know it was kind of like that business therapist for you in a sense. But how did the relationship develop over the time during the program between the two of you?
Speaker 3:Well, I think you know, as you're going through the program, you just get to know each other a lot better, don't you? Because at the start you are a bit nervous. You've probably got a few little fields up and I'm not sure if you're 100% honest right at the start. So I think as you're going through the program you become more comfortable with one another and I think you can really start sharing the nitty-gritty.
Speaker 3:You know, the things that you actually want to focus on but probably a little bit too shy or nervous to kind of talk about at the start.
Speaker 3:So I definitely found that I could be a lot more open with Terry as we went through the program.
Speaker 3:So things that were, you know, telling me I could be really honest about and I think that's a nice thing about having a mentor that's not necessarily an internal mentor is that you can be really honest about how you're feeling with things, things that you might feel a bit nervous about staying in the house because of how that might be perceived and normally that's a personal thing that you think it's going to be perceived a certain way not necessarily that your company would feel like you can be truly honest with an external mentor. They've got no skin in the game, so they're going to kind of tell you how it is Right. So, yeah, so I did find as it moved on it became a lot easier to communicate. I could be honest about things that I was feeling and what I wanted, and then we could probably be a little bit honest with me and Morris with me too about you know how he would react to what I was saying or, you know, can you swear on the podcast? Cut the bullshit. You know what's the story here.
Speaker 2:You can use that word on the podcast. There's no censorship, no children unless main. No, yeah, and even that it's probably not a very big word.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's.
Speaker 2:I think that your comment is very valid because some of the people are listening to the podcast and we know that we have thousands of people that don't have that podcast every month, every week. I think it's really interesting what you're talking about having an internal mentor opposed to someone who is in the industry for some of the different types of benefits that you can get out of that mentorship relationship. And look, I think that both have a purpose and we can't deny you know all the initiatives that are done within big, big organisations to have internal mentors. But I think that you know one of the strengths of time is that because you have that external kind of you know relationship with that mentor, then it takes you to a different sort of stratosphere, in my opinion.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. And I mean a shout out to those businesses that do do internal mentorships as well, because it is great to support staff, you know, particularly for those that want to kind of grow with the company and have new opportunities. So, yeah, absolutely, I would never take away from internal opportunities but yeah, definitely, you know, I think having an external, like time, is another, you know, great mentor to a different thing from it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm kind of interested to understand. Obviously, you know, after being in the industry for a while, and then you work with someone different and we all create a new let's use a kind of an analogy and we have a Adam moment where suddenly things come together that are unexpected and you know, I was just smiling, I knew you would like that comment and did you have a light bulb moment throughout your journey with Thierry where suddenly something became very clear that was just not clear before, that did a lot to you in regards to perceiving or managing business or schedules, whatever it is? What was your Adam moment? Tell us, please?
Speaker 3:Oh gosh, that's okay because I feel like almost every system there was, I was getting something out of it. But look, I think it was probably towards the towards the end of the sessions and you know, we did a lot of the goals that I wanted. But one of the things I had been stressing over was, I suppose, the work load, how I could have a bit more of a work life balance, and so we talked through that quite a bit. But I think it really it was towards the end of the sessions and he, you know, just through conversation and talking, and I think it's kind of a click that clicked that I thought if I stepped back a little bit, wasn't? You know, we know the events for the agents that you know I would take a hit in sales and you know it wouldn't, you know, wouldn't be giving the best level of service to the agents.
Speaker 3:But you know, talking through it with Thierry, it was kind of that understanding was from then. You can't give your best self to your client if you're not your best self, you know, if you're not overworked and tired. So it was really, you know, I'm getting me to that date where I could understand it. Look, it's okay to take a break and it's okay to say no to things, that you're one person, you can't do everything. No one's going to hold that against you, so it was more like a. That was a long process to get through. That was probably one of the most difficult things that I kind of came to in the in the sessions. But yeah, towards the end of last year and it was just like I'm getting what you're saying now yeah it was a big thing yeah, it is actually.
Speaker 1:I know when was the last time you actually said no.
Speaker 2:Oh god, I mean, I don't know, and it's interesting that you're saying that, because I feel like, at the moment, I say yes to pretty much everything and I feel at times that I'm, you know, like, yes, overworked and overtired and I can't get the best of myself because I do too much. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I am. I was always worried that you know, by saying no, that you know the agents would hate me but hold it against me. I think we have a real conversation with them and you explain look, I'm really sorry, we don't in our situation. Look, we don't have BDMs on the ground, it's just me and I'm away. They've actually been really understanding and they've gotten it. They know what it's like themselves to be overworked. So I think if they know the context it comes from, they've actually been really great about that. And I know I'm, as a company we're looking at, you know, changing ourselves this year, so that will change anyway. But no, it was interesting. Like I think that sometimes the hardest lesson is it's okay to say no, okay to say no, so you can only do so much as one person and what you are doing.
Speaker 3:You want to be. You want to be 100% engaged and active and, you know, on board with. So, yeah, that's probably the best thing for me mentally that came out of the program.
Speaker 1:In our North, in our North world, we could say you know, we're in for a marathon, not for a short sprint, right?
Speaker 2:So you need to do a source for the long run.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Yeah, I read again, like a few years ago, the four hour week book by Tim Ferriss, right, and there's a chapter where he talks about, you know, like how he fires some of his clients, right, and I thought that was really interesting. I mean, obviously it's very different than the situation that you're in, but I think that we can apply some of this principle, saying, okay, well, look, you know, sometimes we need to focus our industry, our energy, sorry, on something which is probably more bigger picture, that is going to yield basically more better results than you know, venturing in some very small ventures that are going to be time consuming and are not going to, you know, move the needle wherever we need it to be. So, you know, because there's only one person, there's only one of you, you can do so much, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, and I think Terry was really good with getting me to strategize around that too, about you know what. You know what realistically can I do this year and we'll get a good return from, and what's something that maybe we'd like to support. But that's something that we would look to down the track when we had more resources to do that. So, yeah, he was definitely amazing around that and just kind of bounce ideas off. You know, we tried a lot of, we did a lot of new things this year that we hadn't done pre COVID, and so just have someone to be like, oh hey, I have this idea, what do you think? Or I'm going to do this. And then the follow through, like after we had that event, you know, okay, well, it's not a bit go, and I'd be like, oh great, why. And then I was like, oh no, it was a terrible event. Well, what did you learn from it? Now, there's no better venue if you learn something from it.
Speaker 3:So it was really great to have someone just to do that with, and that was silence.
Speaker 2:Sorry I didn't see you, my friend froze.
Speaker 1:Oh, you didn't see me. That's always disappointing, I know. You know I may always an effort to look presentable for you and then you can't see me. I just thought he was pausing on my words of wisdom.
Speaker 1:So that's okay he definitely was, but speaking about speaking of your wisdom. So we talked a little about the workshops before. If you would have to conduct a workshop, on behalf of time, obviously for the current mantees, what would be the topic of your workshop? What's the wisdom you want to spread into the industry, to become everlasting knowledge for greatness?
Speaker 3:Well, I think one of the things and like, following on, we've just had some amazing women and travel events, so of course, we had a force for good, and then we also had the Kato Women's Lunch. I would love to do something around that, because I personally was really inspired by the stories of women and leadership. And you know, sometimes and like just hearing them and talk about you know their, their process, as they kind of went up the ladder, I look at some of the things that you know hold women back and, to be honest, often I think it's our own selves that do that. We always think we're not quite good enough to do that, and so I think I'd love to do a workshop about you know women. You know women being more confident. You know respecting themselves and the work they've done and acknowledging that they've achieved amazing things.
Speaker 3:I think, before doing time, I probably would have been like if you'd emailed me to ask me to do this podcast, I think it would have been like oh, why would you want me to do this podcast? I'm not a head of sales or anyone important. Why would you want to hear what I have to say? But I think during the time program, it does make you more confident and it's like well, actually we've all got different experiences, different stories. They're all worth sharing. I've been inspired by many people in the industry and hopefully someone might listen to something I say and be inspired by something I do. I'd love to see a more woman leadership style workshop and getting the skills to be more confident. I could say that I'd be pretty happy.
Speaker 1:I call this dad. You're definitely here because you have valuable and interesting insights to share, so you don't have to question yourself being on here. However, when it comes to unknown, I'm just kidding I just want to ask a male perspective here, because I'm always a little bit unsure about the the gender aspect of not having confidence to become a leader. Is it actually a gender thing or is it a personality thing? I don't know. So for you, as a Caucasian male in the best years of your life, just 30 plus, how do you see that? Do you think gender plays a role there, or do you think it's more a personality, confident thing?
Speaker 2:So for me because obviously I come from a little bit of a different perspective I find inspirational on either side of the gender spectrum, and so I'm capable to draw a lot of inspiration from other side. So, to talk about the event that Kylie and I went to last week, I really love the keynote from Daniel Galloway Flight Center. I find that very, very inspirational. A presentation was exactly what I wanted to hear and although, yes, he came from the perspective of a woman, I think that there was a lot of things to take on. So for me, I don't find that it needs to be gender specific.
Speaker 2:However, in my past experience, I used to work for an organization they used to organize a lot of events especially targeted to women, and the feedback that we used to receive from them all the time was that they wanted to have gender specific events because they felt like there was not necessarily a lot of role models in the industry or as female leaders, and so they wanted to be able to be exposed to that kind of experience.
Speaker 2:And so I can understand that. I can understand the point of view of Kylie in that sense, and I think that it might be actually really true that women need to see. Also, there are role models, because they need to break that glass ceiling a little bit more stronger than it is for us. So I get both points of views. I find that, though I think that things can be a little bit inclusive. Like I said, like Danny Galloway's keynote last week was very inspirational to me as well, but I think that she didn't necessarily angle it too much as her being a female leader, but more as her as a leader, and it was very authentic and it was quite emotional at times, and I really, I really like that, and I think that if we could find other leaders that are capable to provide that kind of level of seniority in organization, but being like that level of inspiration, then it would tick a lot of boxes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I agree, that would be amazing.
Speaker 1:I feel and I might be wrong there I feel especially in the travel industry as a female and please correct me if I'm wrong, kylie there I think the opportunities to actually fulfill your leadership potential are probably bigger than in other industries, definitely than in construction, I think we agree on that. But a real travel is that industry where we're really open to have everyone who aspires to be a leader, to become a leader, especially women, but also all other genders, personalities, whatever you want to call it. Am I right there? Would you also agree that travel, tourism in general, is the industry where you can really matter?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, absolutely. And if you look at the numbers, I mean women are. I'm not sure what the exact figures are, but it's definitely skewed way more to women than it is to men. And even like going up to middle management and to executive management, you are seeing more and more women. So I think we're definitely over-represented compared to other industries. That does narrow as you start getting up into governance.
Speaker 2:So at a board level.
Speaker 3:So there's definitely still a lot of room for improvement there. I mean, it's nice to see more women on them, but there's still definitely a disparity, I think, when it comes to women in leadership in our industry. I don't think it's that companies aren't welcoming women. I think that sometimes we hold ourselves back from applying for certain roles I know I've heard a number of people mention this before and I've done it myself over my career is that you'll see a job come out and you think that's an amazing job. I'd love to do that. You read the job. You're hearing like oh, we can do about even of those things they want. Oh, I can't do three.
Speaker 3:Oh, they're not going to hire me, I'm not going to apply, whereas a guy will be like oh wow, that's amazing, I think I can do half, I'm going to give it a go. And so I think sometimes we're holding ourselves back a little bit, and so I think it is about, you know, building a little bit more confidence in women and things like that that will make a difference.
Speaker 1:Maybe I am a woman. I'm definitely with you. I would look into that and there's like three things on that that I wouldn't be able to work. I think like that's not up to my you know skills. I wouldn't be able to work. So maybe I'm a woman. That's okay. I know it's time for your absolute favorite question.
Speaker 2:Please, my favorite question. I'll ask the question this time because usually Timo asks it on my behalf and you know, and yeah, I just need to take ownership on this. So I have other questions that I wanted to ask you, but since Timo is asking me to ask it now, I'll just give him my best shot. Some of the past podcast guests that we've had have shared with us a little dark secret that they had that a lot of people don't know about them in the industry. So you know, I mean it's not too, too dark. I think it's what would you like people to know about you that you don't really share very often?
Speaker 3:Of course. You know that's probably the hardest question you've asked all afternoon For anyone that's met me in the industry. You know I'm not one for secrets, I'm a bit of an oversharer. I'm sorry that's who I am, but maybe like my guilty pleasure instead.
Speaker 2:Okay, yes okay.
Speaker 3:So I don't know if it's a little bit travel nerdy, but I, during COVID, got addicted to capsule wardrobe videos on YouTube and I cannot stop watching them absolutely.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 3:You also didn't get that. Oh, wardrobe, have you not heard of them, kimo?
Speaker 1:Capsule wardrobes.
Speaker 3:Well, you have a limited wardrobe at everything, mix and match them. Um, so, during COVID, when we couldn't travel this was my way of pretending I could still travel was around capsule wardrobe. So you know, you can have three tops, your three pants, they all mix and match. Anyway, they have all these videos on YouTube and you know, people show you their own capsule wardrobes or give people like things on how to do it. And yeah, I'm not saying this is a good, good guilty plea, but it's, it's the one that I love.
Speaker 1:I'm addicted, I love it actually, but I've never heard of it. It just shows my age. I've never heard of it Interesting.
Speaker 3:You have to go and look now.
Speaker 2:Interesting you should watch.
Speaker 1:you should watch it, yeah have you, have you watched it?
Speaker 2:I've watched a couple, but it's not really my thing.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's not your thing. No, yeah, why not?
Speaker 2:I prefer watching people Walk in the rain. That's my thing.
Speaker 1:I see. Thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2:Because the thing is that there's. So there's a you know all these kind of ASMR sort of like you know Videos. There's. There's a big movement of people who are filming themselves Walking in the city when it rains, and so you discover a town from a very different perspective. So there's a lot of like you know videos for, like, new York in the rain or Tokyo in the rain or Paris in the rain, all that sort of stuff. I really like watching that because it gives a different, it makes me travel and discover other places from the perspective of a pedestrian, and you have that background noise of the rain and it's quite, you know, soothing and relaxing, yeah.
Speaker 1:What's great to see the all very different personalities, isn't it I?
Speaker 3:Something for everyone on YouTube, really something for everyone on YouTube that is for sure.
Speaker 1:That is for sure. Well, kylie, thank you so much for sharing your insights with us today, and especially for your time on a Friday afternoon. I know you know there's lots of other things to be done drink, friendship, pain, or get your nails done, do a swim, walk in the rain, or your head on to your capsule caps, capsule wardrobe, was it? Yeah, yeah it's interesting.
Speaker 1:Lots of interesting things. Yeah, but you chose the podcast to share for the next generation, why they should definitely join the time program. One final question If you have your, if you have to describe your time with time in one word, what would it be?
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Transformational Interesting. All right, we take that award.
Speaker 3:That's a my.
Speaker 2:Spelling bee. So now, tonight is going to, is going to be the word of the day is Transformational and he's going to spell it.
Speaker 3:Thank you so much for having me on the podcast. I've had a blast with you guys this afternoon.
Speaker 2:Thank you, kylie, we've really appreciate you, and congratulations again on your graduation and we wish you all the best for the future of your career and keep in touch, because we want to know what's happening with you.
Speaker 3:Thanks guys, and I know next time I'm in Sydney an industry event I'm making a beeline straight for you, no one else.
Speaker 2:You know, it's really difficult to miss me.
Speaker 3:Oh and Timo sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm being discriminated against because I made an effort to meet you before wow.
Speaker 3:No good deed goes unpunished, timo, bye, bye, bye.
