TIME - Travel Industry Mentor Experience
TIME - Travel Industry Mentor Experience
Bryan Swadling: Master-Planning for Iconic Attractions
Join us for an inspiring conversation with Bryan Swadling, Master Planning Manager at Scenic World, as he shares his fascinating journey from the TIME program to leading long-term strategic initiatives. Learn how Brian, guided by his mentor, navigates the complexities of planning for the future of iconic attractions like Scenic World and Bridge Climb. Discover the secrets behind creating sustainable plans that stand the test of time and avoid costly mistakes, as well as a hint at an intriguing challenge that might be on the horizon for the bridge climb.
Ever wondered how stepping outside your daily company environment can spark fresh perspectives? Brian sheds light on the benefits of professional development and networking, despite the logistical challenges. From memorable guest speakers to reframing performance management conversations, Brian provides invaluable insights into how external viewpoints can transform your approach. Tune in for anecdotes about impactful sessions and the golden rule of taking away three key points from every conversation.
Finally, we delve into the power of networking and the evolving role of LinkedIn in professional growth. Brian recounts a memorable graduation speech and discusses the unique challenges faced by the attractions industry, like dealing with weather impacts on visitor numbers. The episode wraps up with a heartfelt farewell celebrating Brian's recent graduation and a personal revelation you won't want to miss. This episode is packed with wisdom, humor, and a genuine passion for professional and personal growth.
Bonjour and welcome back to the newest episode of the TIME Podcast. Today we have our international French top model again in our studio the one and only the well-known, the I-know-everybody-in-the-French-rugby-team person, arnaud. Hello, welcome back.
Speaker 2:Thanks, timo, how are you?
Speaker 1:I'm very good. Thank you for asking. This is actually the first time that I am. You don't care about me, so really thank you for making an effort. I do appreciate that, Thank you. Just to highlight, your glasses are not only very fashionable, but back in the days in the 90s, when I was young just getting my age away here they were popular as well. There were a few TV shows that I watched, usually like hospital themed, where the young doctors were wearing kind of that class. Yes, so today you remind me of an academic with a lot of medical knowledge.
Speaker 2:There you go, I'm bringing sexy back.
Speaker 1:That's how you worded it. Anyhow, let's talk about another sexy back. Who's our guest today?
Speaker 2:today I guess is brian swoodling. He works for um cinework, right, and he is the master planning manager. Actually, what I wanted to ask you, brian, like can you explain to you, is that, what is the? A massive plan? A master planning manager? Sorry, I'm kind of feel like I'm kind of butchering your title there, but that sounds kind of like you know, like kind of evil and austin powers kind of you know wow, there you go.
Speaker 3:I do like, uh, I do like austin powers, but no one's ever called me dr evil. So there you go. I'm a bit chubby so you could call me, uh, the other guy in there, but, um, I won't say yeah. So master planning manager. So it's actually a new role at scenic world.
Speaker 3:Obviously, going through covid and like the rest of the tourism industry, it was pretty um struggling time. So we've come out the other side and really um, now we need to start looking at options. Okay, where do we want to sit in the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years? Um and in to do that, we need a bit of a plan in place. So I'll be working on a master plan for Scenic World in terms of we don't want to set something up in five years' time. Then in 50 years' time we've got to knock it down and redo everything and it's going to cost us millions of dollars. So my goal and aim is to put a master plan together for Scenic World to prevent um for the future of what um we're looking for. We've also got um bridge climb as well, um as our sister company. So, um, we're doing a bit of a merger and doing um, yeah, trying to work together a lot more to see what's the bigger picture of um, what we're going to look like in 20 years time.
Speaker 2:That sounds really exciting, awesome yeah, also.
Speaker 1:uh, welcome on the show after I know it hasn't welcomed you officially. I of what we're going to look like in 20 years' time. That sounds really exciting, awesome. Yeah, also welcome on the show After I know I haven't welcomed you officially. I quickly do that, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3:That's the point of hospitality.
Speaker 1:you know Whatever comes to their mind is more important than the guests. So thank you for spending your time with us, brian. We really appreciate that.
Speaker 3:No worries, no worries. I'm still waiting for my escargot to turn up, but it's not here yet Don't push it.
Speaker 2:It's a French café. This is only on Sundays, really Fair enough.
Speaker 1:But maybe we should do a croissant escargot Are you talking? Yes, anyhow, let's talk about you, brian, a little bit and remind me to get back to the bridge climb, because I have a little challenge, for I Know Yourself and Myself there.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:What's the end? Let's talk about time first. When was the first time you actually heard about time?
Speaker 3:So time came to me from Anthea Hammond. She approached me and said look, what do you want to do? Where do you want to go? I was working as, um, I just came out of an acting head of operations role, um, so, yeah, she said, look, came back from a conference and um time uh, I must have been an ex-member, maybe there that she heard it through, um, yeah, and said have a look into it and see if that's something for you. Um, and I was kind of ready to go on a bit of a journey. So, um, yeah, when said, have a look into it and see if that's something for you. Um, and I was kind of ready to go on a bit of a journey. So, um, yeah, when someone throws something like that at you, you need to really take it with two arms. And, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I signed up, um, yeah, and I went away with that and what were your not goals, but what did you want to get out of it?
Speaker 3:uh, I guess I was a bit of a crossroads of what I wanted to do. I was working in operations at scenic world for the last six years and worked my way through all the operation operation manager roles, so I was kind of went to acting head of operation. So I was kind of like, okay, where do I want to take my career? What do I actually want to do? Um, and I've had mentors in the past, but I think, think having an external mentor really in my mind was like, okay, I can actually bounce off someone that's possibly in a different in the same industry, but a different part of it, because when I looked it up, it was a travel industry, right. So in my head I was like, okay, well, maybe it's not really attractions, maybe it's another part of tourism that I don't know about. So I think that's what really attracted me to it as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's interesting because I think that you're pretty much the only one, or the first one, that actually doesn't come from that travel background, but more that tourism background, and I've always thought that. You know, because I think that you and I well, yeah, timo, but yeah, when I met you the first time I think it was maybe your first day at Time I thought that that was really interesting and I thought that you'll probably get maybe a lot more out of this program just because you're coming from a different side of our industry. You know, in a way, and did you feel like that pairing with your mentor was something that was really going to take you where you wanted to be?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean from the first day I met Louise Millmore and so her background originally was hospitality and working in London and then she worked her way from that into operations side, but her own travel company. So it was really interesting from her side, even though she was looking at more the travel side of things. But it was operational and that's where I came from. So it was for her to push me in certain directions and test me on. Things really stretched me a little bit at times, which was great and just made me think outside the box of okay, you know, if you're going to be in industry until 60 years old, where do you want to see? Do you want to still be in attractions?
Speaker 3:There's actually a lot of opportunity within the tourism industry to to move around. We talked about quite a lot. You know people coming out of school and they go. You know, while working at scenic world you work in the tickets rides. Um, you could work in food and beverage or retail, but really we we've got engineers on site, we've got boiler makers, we've got a whole marketing team, we've got a finance team. So really you could still work in tourism and still go to uni and go through a marketing degree, but it doesn't mean you have to. You can still be in tourism industry, you know. So there's lots of opportunity, yeah.
Speaker 1:So how long are you in your current role?
Speaker 3:The current role. Now I'm well three months in, so yeah, pretty fresh yeah.
Speaker 1:How much has time contributed, or the mentorship with Louise contributed, for you to start that role successfully, and I would assume it was successfully because you're still in it.
Speaker 3:That's right, yeah, yeah, so that's a great question. So I guess, like I was saying, I was bit at a crossroads and I was working towards. At the time when I first started, I was food and beverage and retail manager, so I was finding it hard to split my time into those two roles and focus on what I needed to focus on. And I think Louise just told me well, okay, well, that's what you're doing now and this is what you want to do. You know there might be a redundancy trying to work out and all these little things. She goes, think of the bigger picture, like where do you actually want to be and what do you actually want to do. And it really made me explore different ideas and have open conversations with my boss as well, of where I wanted to go and what the future held, which I think then played that role into a new position at scenic world.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it was massive and most was master planner, kind of something you anticipated. Or did that happen accidentally, then, or because it's, as arnold mentioned, it's not the most common job title out there that everyone thinks like, hey, I want to be a master planner?
Speaker 3:yeah, my kids, uh, definitely still don't know what I do. I think from being working in all the different manager roles, I always had a pretty blue sky thinking. So I've always really tried to think outside the box, come up with different ideas, whether it's making more revenue, setting something else up outside that, you know, might be a food truck or something, could be something small or something down in the valley. So I think I've always had that in the back of my head, where you know, I'm quite creative. When I first left high school I wasn't sure what I wanted to do and I went to Sydney Film School so I've always had that creative side of me and then went in to be a chef for 10 years, you know. So I think my versatility really helped shape me into this role. That, yeah.
Speaker 2:I was lucky enough to be in now. You didn't mention world domination. I thought a master planner was talking about world domination. Isn't that what they do?
Speaker 3:you keep going back to this dr evil thing, don't you? No, no more domination yet, not yet yes aha, that was the operating word.
Speaker 1:Yet I see, um, I know I didn't know you so much into the master and domination world, but that's okay. We discussed that on another occasion. A different podcast. Here we go, stamp Boom Done. There you go, bring it on. So tell us a little bit, brian. So it's the sixth month. If you need to summarize your journey under one slogan or one word, even, what would that word be or what would that slogan be Like? If you compare A to Z, you were at A and you were at Z. How do you describe the process?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, if you're going to throw it into one word and I think fitting into the attraction world, I'd probably say roller coaster, nice. It definitely had ups and downs, um, challenges and um, you know, because you do have to sacrifice. I think when you sign up something like this, you gotta go, okay, well, I need to make sure I'm actually putting my time in um, and you know you get busy and things and you, you know, let things slide, but I made sure that you know um, once a month I was down in the city meeting up with louise um, and then every second week we would just meet online. So, yeah, I think the sacrifice also in the six months, you do need to make sure, I think when you're signing up for something like this year, you're going to go through it properly. There's no point of just signing up and just going and you know excuse my French, half-assing it, you know.
Speaker 2:It's not really French because we never do it half, but yeah, half-assing it. You know it's not really French because we never do it half, we wouldn't do it half we would do it fully Back to the master and nomination thing.
Speaker 1:no.
Speaker 2:I really do appreciate what you're talking about in terms of, like that sacrifice okay, like people will probably put different, different with different sort of labels, but what I find really interesting for you and I think a lot of people listening to the podcast can probably relate there are people that are located in remote areas of Australia, right Regional Australia. We've had a few mentees that you know live in the country and they have a mentor which doesn't necessarily live in the same state or live in the same country as them but, like you say, there's been opportunities for you to still continue to meet regularly, either online or face to face, either because you were doing the travel or you know and I think that this is also an aspect because some people might be put off saying I live in regional whatever queensland and it's not easy for me to go to brisbane or to get to sydney and therefore this program is not for me, where, basically, you're just saying that it is possible.
Speaker 3:Right, exactly right, and I think you, just like I said before, thinking outside the boxes. Okay, well, it's going to take me three hours to get down to Sydney, three hours back. What can I do in those six hours on the train? So I could get a lot of work done. I was lucky that the company let me do that and work from the train, so no one knocks on your door on the train. So you actually get quite a bit of work done.
Speaker 2:So you just got to really think outside the box, know how are you going to get down to sydney and what you're going to do, and use your time effectively and you can you know even listen to the podcast on the train.
Speaker 1:This is absolutely amazing best use of your time. I should say you know so much. But, brian, when I did the program 20 000 years ago when I was young, um, I felt the two hours was kind of that's just to catch up, and there's a lot of work actually happening between the two meetings or each of the meetings. Did you have a similar experience or how was that for you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think I went away from each session. Again, I had three hours to get back over the Blue Mountains, so it just made you really think about what you've talked about and then how you're going to move forward on that, because it could be something small, like small, like you know, not every session is different, but sometimes you go away or just a different perspective on what you're about to do. So if there was a performance managing question or something like that, I'll put to Louise and she said well, have you thought about doing it like this way? And you kind of at the time you might not go into it too deep, but I try and jot things down or as I walk away and jump on the train and really try and think of it come from um and also an outsider's perspective.
Speaker 3:I think when you're in a company and um, you get an idea everyone's talking about the similar things. You know because you're hanging out with each other every day. But when you have some external and you put it to them and some of the stuff that comes back, you go, oh, oh, no, I didn't think about that, that's great, like yeah, and then you never know where that's going to lead to. I mean, yeah, some of it just turns into gold, you know, and, yeah, you go away. Whether it's training or whatever it needs to be, yeah, it's yeah pretty vital.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so because of your scenic location where you live I don't want to say remote, so I had to think of a word because of your very scenic location yeah you're blessed to and enjoy on a daily basis? Um. Were you able to attend some of the networking events as well, or was that something that was just impossible for you?
Speaker 3:no, I was able to get down to every single event through the time. Um, I was a mentee, um, and that was great, like um, yeah, so you normally have the hour catch up at the start and it's just, is everyone in the same boat going, like you know? And I was actually surprised. I was saying I caught three hour train trip and someone's like, oh, I just flew in from melbourne. I was like, oh, okay, I'll stop talking, so, um, and then after that you've got um, your training session.
Speaker 3:So there's always, um, some guest speaker that comes in to have a chat about. It could be, you know, I can't remember who it was, but she had a great Kiwi accent. So I apologize if you're listening, but she just talked about three things and every conversation or everything you come away with, don't try and remember everything, just come away with three things. And I've really kept that going like, okay, I don't try and remember everything, just come away with three things. And I've really kept that going like, okay, I don't need to remember, and that could be in my personal life to my work life, like just three things taken away from it. Um, which I thought was really great. I think that was at, um, oh, what's that? Anyway, it doesn't matter. But um, yeah, the training days, yeah they were, they were, yeah, they were great, and then it was all part of time.
Speaker 1:I think that was the function at the no, not at the Radisson at the.
Speaker 3:The one in between the Radisson and.
Speaker 1:I know you probably remember that. Oh, that's the one you didn't attend because you didn't reply on time, remember?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't believe I've been. No, what's Sabre's?
Speaker 3:competition.
Speaker 2:Was there an event at sabre? But yeah, maybe is there competition?
Speaker 3:who's their competition?
Speaker 2:amadeus I was there, wasn't it was she kiwi, oh yeah that is from hello world.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah I was there.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was there. Oh, I didn't realize she had a kiwi accent. Okay, oh, so that's sorry, kiwi accent yeah uh, but yeah, I do remember. Yes, uh, presentation was like it was really good. Um, I took a lot of notes actually, because I do take notes, but sometimes it's a little bit like hit and miss with my notes taking during these workshops, but on that day I took a lot of it yeah, okay um yeah, she had a really good story she talked about because she was in corporate travel at the beginning and then she was like managing director or something like that.
Speaker 2:Um, at hello world. I can't remember exactly what she was doing.
Speaker 3:She was great yeah, yeah, she was great, I think, grew up in christ church and, um, yeah, she started like as an intern, you know, and she just kept coming back and coming back and I remember that story?
Speaker 2:she would yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember when she knocked at that door that travel agency and then that lady looked at her and the way she was dressed.
Speaker 3:She was talking about that as well yes, that's right yeah and then after that as well, and it comes back and it's um, uh, you have the guest speaker. There's one at the radisson that you about before, and that was one that I ended up putting into my speech, because it still resonates with me now is how good you know turning a negative into a positive, and you know whether it's we're talking for performance reviews, and how can you change your mindset on it going. How can you help people instead of saying, oh, this is horrible, I've got to have that conversation with them next week. They're just not performing. You know, turn it into something. How can I help this person? You know it could be business, and it could be in your own personal life as well, like it's how good, yeah, how good, exactly.
Speaker 2:How good, how good.
Speaker 1:I think there were fantastic examples of why it's important to have those speakers there, because they all obviously have their own inspirational pathway and went through their careers and just listening to that, you always think well, I always get something out of it for myself, or either in hindsight, reviewing what has happened in the past or for future projects that I'm currently working on, something I want to implement. So I think there's always sometimes just a small but important inspiration element that can be taken out.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's obviously good, because you know, once you're my age, you just need inspiration every now and then it's not coming naturally anymore.
Speaker 3:Fair enough. How was your 21st? Yeah, it was pretty busy.
Speaker 2:That was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. A long time ago. They didn't even have mobile phones at the time when he had his 21st. You know that's not true? I know that is actually not uh, that might have been at mine, but we're not going to talk about it I wouldn't want to say they were very advanced at my 21st, but they were existing.
Speaker 1:Exactly Different story. So tell us about your graduation evening. Were you nervous? Were you excited? Were you pumped and positive? Did you think, oh my gosh, everyone is listening. What was your experience of your three minutes of fame in front of the Time community?
Speaker 3:Definitely nervous, you know. Looked up a heart rate monitor at one stage and see it peaking.
Speaker 3:But you know, I think it's one of those things like, I mean, I don't think anyone really enjoys that much public speaking, you know. So you always get that nervous and I think it's natural to have those natural nerves in it. But, yeah, look, once you get up there and you start speaking, and you heard, I think I had two people before me, so, you know, and everyone's there to support you. You know, I was lucky enough to have my boss, jason Crenshaw, there, so, yeah, it was look fantastic evening.
Speaker 3:All the speeches were great, you know, and they're all a bit different, which I like, you know, because there's not really no one says this is what you got to talk about. Really, it's kind of just your whole experience. It's kind of just your whole experience. And, again, everyone's had a different experience, whether everything was on Zoom or they met with each other, or they walked around the city for three hours every time they had a meeting, you know. So, yeah, it was really interesting to see everyone's experiences. And you know, three minutes goes pretty quick, so you have to fit a little in.
Speaker 1:So what did you like most about your graduation speech?
Speaker 3:I know it's an awkward question but as a follow-up that you will understand, um when I finished.
Speaker 3:Um, I thought you were gonna say that actually, uh, look, I just wanted in my speech I really want to talk about which we we talked about at the very start was. You know, it was a massive change for me going into the travel industry rather than just the whole tourism industry, you know. So, um, I really wanted to get across. You know, um, how we can get more people in to time from the amusements or attractions, you know like, because I think it's really important. You know, I think I even said we should change the name to time, um to tourism rather than um travel. Just putting it out there, penny, if you want to change it.
Speaker 3:But I think you know, like, I think more people in the tourism melting pot the better and you can learn so much more. Or you never know where an opportunity might come up as well, or something you have never thought about. You know, there's quite a few people at Norwegian Travel, which is really interesting learning about how they knot boats and their ships. You know there was lots of things there that, yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 1:But you're right. I mean the community is open to everyone from tourism and obviously the name is probably kept for historic reasons.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And historic. I mean we're 15 years already next year. So kudos to Penny and team in the past and present Amazing To make it through 15 years, especially the last 15 years. That includes the GFC, that includes COVID. There were lots of milestones where everything could have gone south, but somehow time survived and managed through and obviously the input and the voluntary work everyone puts into it made it happen, which is probably a great description and summary of the spirit that we have within a community. Did you have any helpful contacts out of the networking from a business perspective?
Speaker 3:I wouldn't say helpful contacts, contacts, but just more opening my eyes up to other community groups as well. I think, um, you know, I met a few guys from skull. Is it skull? Yeah, yeah, so just just knowing there is other places out there um that you can network and go to um. And also, like, I think a big one for me was like linkedin, you know, didn't really exist before I started time so, and then I jumped on there and that was one thing that I think that was my first session was like what's your linkedin look like? And then it's like, okay, you need to slow, like keep improving it. You can't do it all in one day, but you know um, so that's one thing is like definitely networking through um, that um, social media.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's big, very important and much more important in these days than many think, I believe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's amazing how many people start stalking you on there, you know.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, I do all the time. I actually just sent you a contact request about 23 minutes ago.
Speaker 3:There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1:So, Arno, do you actually brian's um? I was about to say farewell speech.
Speaker 2:Graduation speech I do remember yeah, what was?
Speaker 2:your favorite part. Uh, what was my favorite part? Um, I can't, I can't, I can't remember. Um, I mean, he used that our good um kind of you know like catchphrase, which I thought was really good. That reminds me of some of my friends. They use that all the time and I do like that. So, yeah, I really like that little nod. No, I thought that you were good because I think that you and I met at maybe your first or second time event and then we had a good chat. One of my best friends manages attractions as well in Sydney for a company which is, you know, in your line of business as well.
Speaker 2:But not owned by your owners. So I'm quite familiar with you, know some of the challenges that your industry is facing and you know before the podcast, that's what I was talking about weather, because my friend, you know, when there's a bit of fog in sydney he's big tower, um, no one can see anything, right, yeah, so the numbers are down. So I, I totally understand some some of the challenges that that you face at times. Um, so I, yeah, it was, for me it was, it was it was really good to to meet with you and, you know, have a have a different, fresh perspective from you know someone that is not in travel, that doesn't work for an airline or a cruise line or a traditional like retail travel agency.
Speaker 2:I thought you had a bit more of an edge compared to other people. Yeah, so it was good to see you graduate because I kind of felt like you. I saw you when you were a little baby and then when you grew up, I see, oh my God, here we go. I'm giving like everything on a silver platter for Timo to make comments about me.
Speaker 1:You provided quite a few penalty shots today, without a goalkeeper, that's for sure. But I'm holding back on this one. I don't want to embarrass you too much. Brian, if you would have to do a workshop for a time, what's the workshop you would want to do?
Speaker 3:Oh, great question. I'm a pretty positive person, so I would like to do, if I had to, a workshop on positivity and how you can bring it to, I guess, your personal life, but also your team. Oh my God, I'm laughing.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I'm laughing, but I'm only laughing because you don't know that the episode we recorded before had the exact same answer, really.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah. Wow, that's why I was like look at my face. I was like shocked. Did you talk to each other before?
Speaker 3:No, no, I didn't watch the last episode either.
Speaker 2:It's not published yet, all right.
Speaker 3:Well, I guess it's just. You know, I guess there's a lot of positive people in the time.
Speaker 1:No, absolutely. I think that's great and give us the soft tip to stay positive.
Speaker 3:Always look on the bright side.
Speaker 1:Always okay and let's have a very doom-bloom scenario. So imagine you would be on a podcast, like with a German and a French person, and it's just all extremely, you know, challenging and annoying. How would you stay positive in that particular scenario?
Speaker 3:Oh, you're scaring me now. You know what I'll do I'll put myself in their shoes.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:Have you seen on our shoes?
Speaker 2:I'm not wearing any now, fair enough.
Speaker 1:Be careful with that one Just saying no. Look, we have a beautiful question always towards the end of our episode. Yeah, always, and it's actually I call it the French question.
Speaker 2:And it's always about call it the French question. And it's always Because we are intrusive. We ask questions that you know from your personal life without any sort of guilt of asking. That's why he calls it the French question, Because the Germans would never do that sort of thing, you know they respect privacy, Whereas the French are going to be like, here we go, give it to me.
Speaker 1:I remember the first time I know, through the question, I nearly got a heart attack. So I have to apologise in advance.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm trying to say and I know I think this time it's your opportunity to ask the question, yeah so what we want to know from you, brian, is that we want you to share a little bit about something personal about you. That's not a lot of people in the industry know, um, you know, I don't know if you, if, when you, when you said that you were, you were a chef for a long time, um, you know, if you have a little, if you have a little song that you sing to your croissant to make them, you know, raise a little bit better, like, please, feel free to share, and if you want to sing along, let's go, let's do it it's funny you actually say that because I was um the other day we were talking about because I've been well out of the chefing world now for just over six years.
Speaker 3:so, um, but we used to. You know you can go a bit crazy when you're on those split long shifts, so we'd turn the kitchen into a musical. Well, me and three other chefs would to all the other chefs, so we would do this whole service as a musical.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:And what would you sing? Whatever's happening, order up, you know, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Wow, this is fun.
Speaker 3:Some people used to like it. Some people, definitely by the end of the night, were like oh, here's.
Speaker 1:Here's what we have to do on. Oh, we have to have malinda and brian together, because malinda sings russian opera, which is, yes, so I think. So I could see, doesn't matter, but you can do the performance of the musical. Now we have something beautiful happening and Anu can just donate his fashion, so we have crazy costumes as well. Wow, we got it all.
Speaker 3:Wow time the musical.
Speaker 1:Time the musical At the Zala event. Here we go.
Speaker 3:Yes, wow, show me the money.
Speaker 2:All voluntary based Fair enough. Fair enough. That's why you're a master planner, Brian.
Speaker 1:That's why well, my master planning skills on time management tell me at the end of the podcast. So, brian, thank you very much for being with us, really enjoyed chatting with you and learning a bit about your journey and also your job title. I will never forget that one. Whenever I see it somewhere online, I would definitely just send the test application to see what's happening. I hope you had a good time with us as well, and we can't wait to see you running away from the mountains to the city for the next networking event.
Speaker 3:Fantastic. Thanks so much, fellas. I think it's really great what you guys are doing and putting this podcast together and really supporting the TAM community. So, yeah, hats off to you guys. Thank you.
Speaker 2:And congratulations on your graduation again, Brian.
Speaker 3:Awesome Thanks. So much Thanks for having me on, really appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Anytime, but at least you know you got a proper farewell after you didn't get a welcome from the french person say au revoir.
