TIME - Travel Industry Mentor Experience
TIME - Travel Industry Mentor Experience
What happens when you let your guard down with a stranger? TIME with Janis McDonald
What happens when you connect with a mentor who makes you feel like you can conquer the world? Janice McDonald, Sales Account Manager for Queensland, Northern NSW and WA at Air Canada, joins us to share her transformative journey through the TIME mentorship program.
From the moment Janis witnessed a colleague's remarkable transformation after completing the TIME program, she knew she wanted that same confidence and growth for herself. When finally matched with mentor Belinda Montgomery, Janis discovered an unexpected connection that allowed her to be vulnerable in ways she hadn't anticipated. "When you do the TIME program, you have to be a little bit vulnerable," she explains. "You've really got to let your guard down and tell a stranger about what you really want."
That vulnerability paid off tremendously. Throughout their sessions, Janis developed the confidence to approach her boss for additional responsibilities at Air Canada and learned crucial boundary-setting skills to balance her demanding career with being a mother of three. "The way we were evolving with our sessions, I felt I could conquer the world," she shares, highlighting how the right mentor relationship can fundamentally shift your professional trajectory.
Now Janis has come full circle, helping organize TIME events in Queensland to give others the same opportunity for growth. She emphasizes that what makes the TIME program special is its tailored approach—travel professionals mentoring other travel professionals in structured, confidential settings that focus on individual goals.
Whether you're considering applying for the TIME program, looking to become a mentor yourself, or simply curious about how mentorship can transform careers, this episode offers honest insights about the power of investing in your professional development. Listen now and discover how the right mentor might help you conquer your world too!
Subscribe to the TIME Podcast for more inspiring stories from travel industry professionals, and visit the Time website to learn about upcoming mentorship opportunities in your region.
Hello and welcome back to the Time Podcast, Season 5, Episode 6. Actually, I know, not 4, because we recorded 5 just before. Wow, can't believe you don't remember even 15 minutes Incredible. I have a feeling this episode will be absolutely amazing and smashing because we have high energy in the studio. I'm at the airport again or still, and first of all, I would love to welcome back the one and only the man of all French girls' dreams, Arnaud Michelin.
Speaker 2:Yes, I didn't know that. You know every girl was dreaming of me. But look, I'll take it. How are you, timur, look?
Speaker 1:I didn't say they don't have nightmares.
Speaker 2:I was just saying they dream about you, yeah true, true, yeah, we should never discount nightmares, because it's a big part of dreaming. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:I'm actually doing very well because I'm excited to have you here and we have a guest who is the guest, tell me yes, we have a guest.
Speaker 2:I'm so excited we have a guest today. I'm so excited about that particular guest. This is Janice McDonald. She's a sales account manager for Queensland, northern New South Wales and WA at Air Canada, our lovely friends from the other side of the Pacific who also speak a bit of French. Bonjour, janice.
Speaker 3:Oui, ça va, oui, ça va bien. Merci, I must say I feel very lucky because I'm listening to both your accents and I'm falling in love with both of you. Oh, stop it, I have an accent yeah, interesting I wasn an accent yeah.
Speaker 1:Interesting. I wasn't aware.
Speaker 3:Maybe it's the radio voice I'm listening to. Yeah, that must be it.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yes that's true.
Speaker 2:Radio voice live from the lounge at the airport.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Well, Janice, thank you. Thank you for joining us today. We love talking to you and especially hear about your time journey, but also a few things more. But let's start with time. So when was the first time you heard about time and why did you think this might be something for?
Speaker 3:you. I was invited by one of the Queensland reps who participated in the time program land reps who participated in the time program and I wasn't really sure at first what it was all about. So I went along and can I just say that the person that invited me I didn't realize she had also joined the time team in Queensland to help organize events and I saw her perform at this event with so much confidence following her time program that she had done and she had grown so much as a person since I'd last seen her and it kind of gave me inspiration that I would like to grow in the same way she has, with this beautiful aura that she portrayed in the time event. So that's got me curious and kept wishing and wishing and then finally my wish came true.
Speaker 1:There you go, and now you're sitting in this virtual studio with your radio DJ style illuminated microphone smashing out the information for the world population. Congratulations, that is amazing.
Speaker 2:Kicking goals Dennis. Kicking goals Indeed.
Speaker 3:When you love what you do, it's so easy to do right, and our industry, everybody, most people are just so easy to deal with. We all understand the hard work that goes into it, the pressures, and we all have a common desire to achieve these creative, imaginable dreams for our clients to remember day in, day out, right.
Speaker 1:You're totally right. So your motivation, as I understand for time, was to be more confident, to have that growth that you've seen in someone that you knew before. Who was the mentor assigned to you to help you on that journey? And, of course, my favorite thing, to learn about people. How was the first meeting? Like awkwardness factor, excitement factor, nervousness factor? How did it go?
Speaker 3:well, I am, as you know, from Queensland, so I flew down to Sydney for my first time event in Sydney and I met my mentor for the first time face-to-face. Her name was Belinda Montgomery. At the time she was working in the partnership side at Voyages and it was actually really um, I can't explain it. It was, um, one of those you know when you feel like you know somebody for a long time. When you meet them, um, I just felt like we had this instant connection and I just felt so comfortable with her.
Speaker 3:Because when you do the time program you kind of have to be a little bit vulnerable, right, because you've really got to let your guard down and and tell a stranger about, um, what you really want to get out of this. They're going to learn about you you're good, you're bad and the ugly, um, and I did not feel uncomfortable at all. She made me feel so at ease from the first time I met her and I just felt like we had been. All the wish lists that I had put in, that I wanted from a mentor pretty much ticked everything.
Speaker 1:Wow, I think letting the gut down there is probably such a difficult exercise, but also a rewarding exercise because, as we all noticed throughout our mentee journey and I think it was the letting the gut down there is probably such a difficult exercise, but also rewarding exercise because, as we all noticed throughout our mentee journey and I think it was the same for all of us there's only positive coming back and I wonder is actually like all those not necessarily judgment, maybe fears that are attached to doing so were completely invalid, because there's a community out there that's just there to to help you and you and take you as you are and guide you to your next level, which is amazing. And um, delinda and I can actually see the two of you working out very well from an energy level already. Um, what was? Did you do something specific to ingrain that confidence in you? Like, did you do something and did you do an exercise that was very enlightening for you or how did it go?
Speaker 3:just think it was her mannerisms and her tone. Um, I'm one of these people. For those of you who don't know me, I'm kind of um quite loud, energetic, um always no idea, we had no idea you're from Queensland you can't help
Speaker 3:but tell, because we have so much sunlight, right, um, so I just found she was just um complete opposite in the way that she calmed me. Um, she, she spoke in such a tone that was very relaxing for me, um, and I never felt intimidated at all, and I think that's quite important as well because, um, in some companies, um, I've realized in travel, there's kind of like that hierarchy that some companies have thankfully not at Air Canada but I just felt that even though she's this amazing person who has such a huge history with so much success, it can be a bit intimidating speaking to somebody like that, but I never felt that with her, she never, ever portrayed, portrayed that she was always reassuring, um, she had lots of advice to give me. I had lots of questions in the beginning, um, and, yeah, I thought she and if she didn't know something, she would always come back to me with an idea of of how I could work on something that I had a question about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really important not to feel intimidated. I mean it's funny because we just like interviewed other people like very recently, and then I mean we had mentor and mentee and that's exactly what they talked about, right. Yeah, the fact that they felt so much in confidence, you know, with that other person, the fact that they felt free to be able to speak about, you know why they were there to let their guard down, because they felt safe, you know. So, basically, you just described all of that again, questioning whether they would want to do the program. To understand that you know, like, once they're going to be with that mentor, there's going to be that relationship that is going to build, but it's going to be a safe space, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's correct, and you kind of got to trust in the process and I totally trusted in the process and I'm so glad I did. I got so much out of it. So I'm very grateful to Air Canada as well for giving me that opportunity, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you know there's someone there who sacrifices two hours every fortnight out of their busy schedules and they're usually very busy people to solely focus on you and your growth and if you think about that in a bit more detail, it's actually super fantastic. And where do you get that opportunity in life On a consistent basis for six months? Did you have that mentor on your side? Literally? It's very unique and it's great to hear that you have such a good idea. If you compare start to finish, has your destination, has your pathway changed in between? Like what you wanted in the beginning was maybe ticked off after two or three sessions and suddenly another big thing came up that was actually more important.
Speaker 3:I think, as I was gaining a lot more confidence in my abilities to be able to take on different projects or have the desire to do more because she sort of the way we were evolving with our sessions I felt I could conquer the world right. And so I, you know, would go to my boss and would ask for more responsibilities in the office, because I had confidence in not just myself and my abilities, but also in that I had someone there to help me through the process of, you know, initiating the beginning of that conversation with my boss. Yeah, she was definitely incremental in changing the way I think and the way I wanted to progress in my career as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Beautiful, very beautiful as well, yeah, beautiful very beautiful and graduation speech is always a moment of joy and relaxation and lots of tears. You've got the tears. There's always tears, but tears of joy.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to say tears of joy. Obviously. Hopefully it's not the audience who cries, because you know. So tell us a bit about how did you prepare for your graduation speech. I mean, it's obviously limited in time so you can't say everything that you want to say. You can't express your thanks to the mentor probably as detailed as you would like to, so that has to happen offstage. How did you prepare for it? What was important for you to communicate off?
Speaker 3:stage.
Speaker 3:Um, how did you prepare for it? What was important for you to communicate? I think, um, it's really important when you actually go through the program to always make notes about your sessions, like what you wanted, like your goals and what the outcome was. Because the year just goes so quickly oh sorry, when I the year, I mean your time with the time program in six months, and then you look back in a year, it's you know, the year has just gone by so quickly and you forget, like, how far you've come from the beginning to the end.
Speaker 3:So I think, in order to write that amazing speech, you really need to see where you started and the journey you went through to where you've come out at the other end feeling like that million-dollar person who's going to conquer what their next goal is. Right, because you've been armed with someone who's got so much knowledge and trusts in you. Right, and whenever I felt in doubt, she was always the person I would go to. And so for me to write a speech, it was not just about how good she is professionally, but how kind and loving she was. You know, she didn't know me and she gave up her time, particularly because she was changing jobs as well. So she was going through quite a stressful period in her life too, and not once did it ever feel like a chore with her. So I'm just so glad she gave me that opportunity, and she's a really special lady, yeah.
Speaker 3:And I know she will say the same things about their mentor, but I feel mine was the best. Of course, absolutely say the same things about their mentor, but I feel mine was the best.
Speaker 2:Of course, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Except for Timo, Of course. Thank you, Arnaud. So, Janice, something that I was also wondering about when you saw Arnaud for the first time you met him in France, Thank God.
Speaker 3:Who's that? I'm joking the French.
Speaker 1:God France.
Speaker 3:Thank God, who's?
Speaker 1:that I'm joking. The French God, yes, french God, oh, here we go. He's been promoted, isn't this the one?
Speaker 3:thing that everyone dreams about. It's that beautiful accent.
Speaker 1:Just the French God, yes, so what did?
Speaker 3:you think? What did I think? Well, I kind of knew him a little bit before the first time I met him at the time event, so I kind of had a little bit of an advantage that way. But can I just say, looking at you and your progress through, like your last couple of months, you've actually been very inspirational, and even your running career how you started that up again. I actually was quite inspired when I saw one of your photos the other day and I went for a 2K run this morning. Aw, thank you.
Speaker 3:So there you go, he's inspirational, he's inspirational.
Speaker 1:He is inspirational and I'm not sure if you link it to outside of the professional networks, but he's also a very good photographer with a great eye for arts. Thank you.
Speaker 3:Oh, I didn't know that bit.
Speaker 1:See, that's a dark secret about Arno that we share today free of charge, just internationally successful podcast without me disclosing it willingly it's usually more fun if people share secrets about you. That's part of your marketing strategy that makes it more secretive that's right, your branding right.
Speaker 3:Well, I had the advantage of knowing him via one of my mates in the travel industry who worked at finnair with him. Um, yeah, and always heard, like how amazing he was as a boss, a mentor and as a person just in the industry. So, um, yes, I was very privileged to meet him and and feel like I knew him before I actually saw him, because of all the positive feedback and comments and praise I heard about him.
Speaker 2:Okay, enough gushing for you, now that's it. Yeah, that's it. Let's move on to someone else. I'm really proud of you though, janice, that you're doing this run, but if you don't know, you know Timo is also I mean, I'm not going to take credit for him, you know deciding to go for a run, but Timo is also doing a half marathon very soon.
Speaker 3:Good on you. Yeah, he's doing that for a good cause.
Speaker 1:Nothing. In general. I hate every step. Yeah, right Now. On a serious note, I actually hate running. I dislike running, but I do appreciate the mental challenge to get yourself through. So that's the part I enjoy. The actual running definitely not.
Speaker 3:Oh right.
Speaker 1:Why would you do that to yourself?
Speaker 3:Because I am kind of half American too and so I am in awe that you are doing this. So well done. It's a lot of work and it is a lot of mental work and it's kind of like our industry right. All the ups and downs it keeps you like mentally strong, so yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what I like about it. I think that's similar to the time program what you learn about yourself. When you do something like that and you commit to something to build something up and embrace all those hurdles that your mental limit sets you, then the growth is happening. And that's what a mentor is so important to kind of tell you, hey, maybe I'll try it this way, and suddenly the hurdle is much lower and you can jump over it and there's this whole new perspective behind it. You know yeah, that was at least my experience with the program, but anyhow. So after you graduated, Janice, we talk about you knocking your arm off. We are boring, you are interesting. So after your graduation, what's the plan with you and time? How will you continue?
Speaker 3:Well, I am helping jackie and emily in queensland um organize all the time events up here. Emily is the time representative in queensland. So it is now my time to give back um, and I feel this program really was so worthwhile so I wanted to join their team and I would love lots more people to have the opportunity to invest in their career, invest in themselves and take the step to join the program, because everyone wants to achieve it's just human nature. Because everyone wants to achieve, it's just human nature. And having some amazing mentors in our industry who have given up their time, I think it's fabulous, definitely worthwhile doing.
Speaker 1:I agree and I thank you for continuing the journey there, because you're right. If you involve yourself with, for example, helping with events or doing podcasts or whatever you do after your time journey, that helps those on the journey who are currently in the program or who are about to join the program to understand what's going on, but also to experience the community, and that is such a crucial part and important part of the journey. Speaking about the journey, I would say goodbye and leave the rest of the interview for the two of you because I have to go on a flight, okay.
Speaker 3:Bon voyage have a good flight.
Speaker 1:Merci bien, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the podcast and I'll see you very soon in person, hopefully.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'd love to meet with you and hear about your running, your marathon, your half marathon you're going to do.
Speaker 1:Just imagine a walrus snoring. That's my running journey. That's all you need to hear.
Speaker 2:Oh man, we know you can do better than that. You'll have fun, you'll be good. When is your marathon, timo? So then we can get people to follow you on socials and then to maybe donate to the charity that you're running for. And I'm running, I'm running running for food and um.
Speaker 1:The marathon is on 12th of july. If that is a sunday, july that's saturday.
Speaker 2:Yes, tell me about it.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's very soon, absolutely, absolutely. I'm so excited, thrilled, ecstatic, can't wait.
Speaker 3:If only everyone could see you roll in your eyes.
Speaker 1:I would never do that. I meant it exactly the way I said it.
Speaker 3:I know you must be really nervous, but seriously, you've obviously given yourself ample time to prepare Seriously you seem like such a yes I did 100%.
Speaker 1:Six weeks Six weeks is plenty.
Speaker 3:Six weeks. That's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3:I've got to leave. Leave it to you Really good call.
Speaker 1:Thank you Talk soon.
Speaker 2:Bye.
Speaker 3:See you.
Speaker 2:Bye, there you go.
Speaker 3:It's only the two of us now, it sounds very echoey now.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, these are the challenges that you, that sometimes we face, when, when, when we record and um, yeah, there's been times where I was at brisbane airport having to hide behind, you know, like a vending machine, so then I could block the noise of the announcement that were going off, like you know, every five seconds and um, so, yeah, sometimes it's not, it's not as easy, um, going back to, to, um, to to time and um and the program, and obviously, like you, you want to get involved in that a little bit more in depth.
Speaker 2:So, thank, thank you, because that's a, that's a good way to give back to the community. And then we know that also, like, I'm glad that you, that you're here and you talk about that, because, being based in queensland, and we know that in queensland the travel industry is so well organized, like you know, you have your Facebook groups, your regular networking events. Everyone has, you know, like it's a very tight net of, you know, of professionals, and I do think that maybe some people don't think that time is a good program for them just because they can have the network around them, right, but I think that, you know, you probably kind of showcase or, you know, explain to maybe a broader audience that you know like you can go one step above or outside of that sort of like networking bubble to be able to progress in a different way in your career.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's so invaluable, like you invest in, in, you know further in your education, in what the industry is demanding. It could be, um, how to write a uh, a fantastic speech. Um, it could be something like how to use AI in your everyday business, as there was one the other day, and just little things like that just help everybody in the industry and I just feel like that we've all got so many unique, different skills and so there's so much to offer from everybody in the industry. But with the time program, it's in a more structured forum, which is awesome, which means you're dedicating that time each week or every two weeks with somebody that wants you to achieve, whereas if it's, yes, we've got a close-knit community and everyone is fabulous here in queensland and everyone gets on well, but you can be more focused with time and obviously everything is confidential. So, um, I think that's definitely um a plus.
Speaker 3:And people that also feel that they're drowning, like it can be just basic things like I just need help with how to sort my business out if you're, you know, working for yourself, or I want to move on to the next step in my career, or I just want to be able to have confidence in my career or I just want to be able to have confidence in my role or new role. I think you know the time program can really do whatever you want it to do, because there's so many people with so many skills in our industry and definitely worth investing time into yourself to grow in this area that you want to yeah, I do agree and, and you know to your point, you know you get all these little sessions before the networking events.
Speaker 2:That I do appreciate a little bit more than you know if you were to go and attend like conferences or like professional development sort of like you know um events, just because it's like from travel professionals to other travel professionals, and so it's a lot more tailored, I find and and and then as a, as a result, it's a lot more effective, rather than you know, if you were to, you know, decide to go. Okay, I'm gonna go to this event and there's like a, there's like a training session on, I don't know, like what you were saying. For example, ai for my business. It's going to be generic enough so that it speaks to everyone in the room, but everyone will be from different, you know, walks of life, whereas it was for us at time. Like, the beauty of it is that it's usually people from within travel that are going to talk to other travel professionals, so then it's going to be speaking to us like a lot more um directly, which I think is is even better. Yeah, yeah, have you thought about maybe I know?
Speaker 2:that you haven't graduated long, long time ago, but have you thought that maybe you might want to do it again sometime soon?
Speaker 3:Funny you should say that, yes, if the opportunity came again, I actually would do it again, because you are constantly evolving in this industry, right, because our industry changes all the time. And now that I've sort of evolved in one area, I'm kind of looking at oh, how can I evolve into another part of the, into the space I want to go into? So, yeah, I would definitely do it again if I had the opportunity. And I think people shouldn't just like think, oh, they've done it once, now tick the box. But because, as you know know, there's so many different mentors in different parts of the industry. So, um, you can definitely grow and learn from other parts of um the travel um industry, definitely so, as part of your mentorship.
Speaker 2:uh, I would say I'm sure that you've heard of it because you know, like, like Tim, if you've listened to the podcast, timo and I will talk about that every single time, I think. But once you're a past mentee, once a year you have the possibility of accessing, you know, like any sort of mentor of the program, and then spending a couple of hours with them and you know, talk about whatever, whatever you like. Is it something that you've already done or considering doing this year?
Speaker 3:I haven't done it yet, but, yeah, definitely have to do it because, as I said, you know, as I finish there's other things I want to sort of discuss with somebody else that I have because I have this opportunity. And I think that's really good, because once you finish, you kind of go oh I wish I had done that, or maybe I could do this, or, you know, you're thinking about what you could do next, right, because you're so inspired from, you know, reaching the goals you've wanted to. So I think that's so awesome that time gives you. So I think that's so awesome that time gives you availability of other mentors that are open to helping you grow and develop as well.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, you should do it. I've done it, like at the beginning of this year, and that was a great experience and I would recommend anyone to do it too, and I would recommend anyone to do it too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I spoke to Belinda about it and she recommended a few mentors for me.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I definitely have to do it. It's on my list.
Speaker 3:You have no excuse now. If she told you to do it, you need to do it now yeah, I know, I know, especially when she hears this now and she goes oh my gosh, you still haven't done it.
Speaker 2:Is there any? Yeah, talking about that, like, is there anything that you wish that you had done during that program, reflecting on it?
Speaker 3:If I would have done anything different? No, I, if I would have done anything different no, I definitely wouldn't have done anything different. I covered pretty much everything that I wanted on my list, um, and more um. It's um, I guess, because we were we we caught up every week for an hour and there was a list of things I wanted to do in the beginning and so every week we would cover things. Sometimes we'd have to change direction because something else would come up that I might need a bit of assistance with, and so, yeah, we covered a lot. Well, I felt we covered a lot, and not just on a professional basis, but also on a personal basis.
Speaker 3:Um, I was very specific, as I mentioned, with what type of mentor I wanted. Um, I wanted someone who kind of had a similar family you know, mother with children I have three children so of had a similar family. You know, mother with children I have three children. So it's a constant juggle.
Speaker 3:I have also a lot of work where I had to travel a lot all the time, so it's just also learning to juggle things. And also I had to learn to um, like set boundaries, basically um, for myself and for my work time, because I would just totally exhaust myself out. So, um, belinda was really good and in helping me do that, and so you know, the end of the day, what if I haven't done something? You know, at the end of the day, what if I haven't done something? I'm trying not to beat myself up too much about it and just you know tomorrow's another day, because, as you know, everyone gets so much thrown at them every day and it's just a constant juggling act. So it's trying to find that balance between you know all the support of everyone that needs your help, trying to obviously be more strategic in your business and then shut the door and then do your other job of being a mom and a wife, right?
Speaker 3:so yeah um, yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't change a thing. She was really helpful with both personal and um work and and helped me through a lot of that as well.
Speaker 2:Great and I suppose that you can see also the benefits you know like at work with a lot of things. When is your next travel? Because I keep seeing you somewhere on a plane somewhere.
Speaker 3:I am actually traveling to Los angeles.
Speaker 2:I am going to my first ever flight center global gathering wow that's the same week as timo is going to run his half marathon yeah, so I'll be doing another marathon of keeping up with Flight Centre.
Speaker 3:Well, he pounds the road.
Speaker 2:It's actually a really fun event, and when you sit on the supplier's side.
Speaker 3:It's actually really nice too. Yeah, I mean, it's great to witness all their achievements and everyone. It's great how you can celebrate your achievements, because I don't think we do it enough in our industry, um, and so it's a good way of them going. You did an amazing job, well done. Let's have a little party to celebrate yeah, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2:I think that because we work really hard, we don't necessarily, yes, take the chance to recognize the achievement of others. There's a few big events throughout the year yeah, right, ntia one of them but then everything else is kind of like split, like you know. The hotels have their their own, and then the cruise lines have their own, and you know, and the airlines have literally nothing. They don't have money anymore.
Speaker 2:So we just want everyone else's yeah, I mean they do events for the airline industry, but it's like very it's. It's they are very exclusive events, right? So it's either you're a member of iata at a very sea level and then you can go to there or sky tracks could be fun, but then again it's people are in the suites that go to these events. So you know, like, like, when you're not up to that level, you don't really get the chance to participate to that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we just watch all the accolades come by we just watch all the accolades and then when they get that little golden you know thing with stars on it, it's like yay, we got stars. Well, thank you very much for your time, janice. You know. I think that Timo and I we were looking forward to catching up with you very much actually, so it's been a long time coming. So, thank you again. And thank you for Air Canada for being the sponsor actually again, and thank you for air canada for being the sponsor actually. Uh, that gave you the chance to participate to the, to the, to to the program, because, you know, without the, without sponsors, um, it would be difficult for for that program to, you know, to be operating.
Speaker 3:So, thank you again yeah, thank you to air canada. I really do appreciate it and the opportunity as well. And can I just say thank you for asking me um to do this podcast with you. I felt very flattered. You were number one on my list but number four or number six recorded.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I. So I'll talk to Timo, but this is actually episode number four. I think you got confused. We've lost count. We've lost count, but this is number four.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's funny.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you again, janice, and then I'm sure that we'll catch up um very soon at a travel event I'm sure we will thank you so much and thank you everyone, see ya.
