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Anthony Potter- What If The Next Step Isn’t A Job Title But A Toolkit

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Career clarity rarely arrives as a thunderclap. It shows up in steady conversations, small experiments, and the right guide who asks better questions. We sit down with Anthony Potter, Business Development Manager for Northern Queensland at the Globus family of brands, to unpack how a six-month TIME mentoring journey reshaped his path without forcing him into a new persona or a narrow title.

Anthony’s story will resonate with anyone in travel, tourism, or sales who loves building others up but hasn’t fully mapped their own next step. He breaks down what a great BDM actually does—coaching trade partners, delivering training, and driving growth—then shows how mentoring turned those instincts inward. With a mentor aligned to touring and river cruising, he set a rhythm of bi-weekly micro-goals, reflected honestly on strengths, and learned to design progress without chasing a single “perfect” job.

We dive into a practical blueprint for genuine networking when walking into a room feels daunting: warm introductions, focused coffees, value-first follow-ups, and a flywheel of familiar faces at future events. Anthony also shares the surprisingly powerful habit that changed his daily execution—taking notes live to signal attention, capture “golden points,” and improve follow-through. Along the way, we explore why an external mentor sees patterns your team can’t, how vulnerability accelerates growth, and why crafting a toolkit often beats fixating on a title.

If you’re ready to turn momentum into a method—more confidence at events, clearer development plans, and a network that compounds—this conversation offers a tested path forward. Subscribe, share with a colleague who needs a nudge, and leave a review with one habit you plan to try next.

SPEAKER_02:

Hello and welcome back to the Time Podcast. Excited to announce we are in season six, episode one today. And of course, we have our most popular, but most famous, good-looking, handsome French co-host here as well. Please warmly welcome back our cross-font-producing Arno Michelano.

SPEAKER_01:

Sure. I didn't know that I was that famous and handsome, and then you know, whatever else you say, but I'll take it.

SPEAKER_02:

Um handsome because we now do audio only. If it would be video, I would not get away with it.

SPEAKER_01:

That's right, exactly. Yeah, true. So that's why I'm saying, like, I'll take it, you know. 2026, you know. Thanks for the compliments, Timo. Good to see you um for this um, you know, uh new season on the on the podcast.

SPEAKER_02:

Indeed. One of our attributions has certainly been to be nice and friendly to you at least every now and then. Um before we talk about that in more detail, we obviously have our amazing guest as well. Would you like to introduce Please?

SPEAKER_01:

Of course. So today, our um guest is Anthony Potter, is business development manager um for the Northern Queensland region at Globus Family of Brands, Asia Pacific. Welcome to the podcast, Anthony.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you, gentlemen. Really appreciate you having me on to talk.

SPEAKER_02:

We are actually very excited. And for me, it's actually a new experience because I have not seen your graduation speech because I was actually away when you graduated. So expect a lot of extra nasty questions.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. One of the things I did say in my graduation speech was um, you know, you can put me up at a presentation, I can talk about my product or my brand for an hour without having to um any notes or think about it. Talking about myself is not one of the easiest things to do. So let's um see how this goes, though.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm sure we'll snatch it. Maybe that's um, Anthony, can you maybe uh describe what you do for someone who's not in the industry? Like what's your job? What would you do?

SPEAKER_00:

So, as a business development manager uh for the Globus Family Brands, I I guess the role out there is to work uh with our trade partners and a network. So I'll go out and it might be um working alongside travel agents and businesses developing and helping them um utilising our brands to succeed and grow their own business. Um, I think the business development manager, the title, the keyword development in the middle is something I I think is the most important part. Our job is to go out there and work with them. It's not just to drop off brochures um or to visit, it really is to help these businesses and these agents develop themselves. So um offering training, support, um, guidance to give them the opportunity to use our product to um to grow their own business.

SPEAKER_02:

So, can we actually say to a certain degree, you are also in a mentor capacity?

SPEAKER_00:

I think yes, it is. I think there's lots of people who, you know, can be unofficial mentors in your life throughout it. And I guess being part of this program highlighted that to me too. How many people I've worked with or alongside over my career that have been um mentors, whether they've worked under me in in and when I've been in management roles or different things there, you can always learn from something from everyone. So I think um just being mindful of that and looking for those opportunities to um to learn from people and and help people, I think is a um is a very big thing.

SPEAKER_02:

And why did the more structured approach um as in the time program, why did that appeal to you? Why did you apply or why did you think now it's time for time?

SPEAKER_00:

That's a it's a very good question because that's someone uh I'm someone who've um I've always worked in sales in one way or another my whole life. Um I started selling security alarms door to door at 18. Now I tell you, that's a tough gig. Knocking on someone's door at dinner time and trying to get them to commit to buying something from you when they're eating their steak and veg or something is um is not an easy thing. So I'd rather present in front of a million people, but I've always worked in sales and I've always been quite successful at selling. So I could always make a decent income. Um you know, I I was enjoyed what I do. I I love the thrill of a sales role. But um I started in the travel industry probably 16 years ago this year, it will be, as a as a travel agent myself. Um, and I think one thing I learned earlier was how much I liked to help others develop. It got to a point when I was leading a team in in a retail travel store that I was getting more of a kick out of seeing newer stuff develop or people who maybe were struggling before achieve than my own personal bests. So I think there's something I I kind of but I kind of went along because I could always sell and always make a good income myself. I just kind of maybe sat too long, too comfortable um in in previous roles where I could, because I was still getting that kind of thrill of helping others. Um so when I stepped into this role a couple of years ago, it was a brand I always loved. I'd always loved selling the Globus family of brands. It's it's a company I'd always really enjoyed um offering to clients. So I liked the brand. That's something that's important to me. But I so I got that benefit of being able to, you know, still work with the the travel industry and that were trade partners and help them and develop them and get that thrill out of assisting people grow and still having a sales target myself. But I guess one of the things that did come to me was, you know, I'm in my mid-40s now, um, as I'm getting there, and I kind of thought I needed to start focusing on what it was I wanted to achieve and what I wanted to get with my get where I wanted to in my career. Um, I'd always put so much time on helping others because I got such a kick out of it. I decided it was time I needed to actually go, where do I want to be? Because I do love my job as a as a BDM on the road. Like I love going out there and doing that, but I do know that I don't want to be doing the same role in 20 years' time from now. So I guess I for quite a while I did actually look back thinking, oh, maybe I should have taken this step five or six years ago into this kind of role to progress. Um, and I think you can't change what you've done. Um, all you can do is take those steps to prepare yourself for where you want to go. So when the opportunity for time came up, because um Globus Family of Brands sponsored a couple of staff to go through the program every year, uh, which I was very grateful for, and lucky, luckily enough to be one of the ones they chose for in 2025. Um, I put my hand up because I I knew a little bit about time. I didn't really understand the full um how it worked and the real intricacies of it, but I knew about mentoring and the benefits there. So I reached out to a couple of my colleagues who have been through the program um and got a bit more information about it, found out a bit more about what it entails and what they got out of it. Um, and I jumped both feet in once I got the opportunity to apply for the um the position. So, you know, in in uh February last year, I put the application in, was um selected by GFOP to have one of the spots they sponsored and started in April. So um, you know, and the rest is history. The six months flies by.

SPEAKER_02:

That's amazing. And um, considering you are concerned, you know, that you can't talk about yourself, you're doing fantastically well.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so I talk too much sometimes, yeah. No, I'm not at all.

SPEAKER_02:

And uh I also wanted to highlight, you know, um, considering you're in your 40s, you still look half age of Anu.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh yeah, you look half my age, even though I'm not too far from you. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's just go back to the thing. We're lucky this is uh not video, hey, because uh if I don't think after after after the Christmas break, my beard's not as trim and tidy as it normally would be, so we'll see. It's okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Like you and I can be late. We have the same amount of hair on the on the head. Yeah, I you know, we you know, I feel your pain.

SPEAKER_02:

Let's just all agree we have a beautiful radio face. Beautiful face, yeah, beautiful face for radio.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I don't know. Some of the other episodes I've listened to, some of the um guests on there speak very highly of both of you in their in their comments listening to them. So maybe you've got a few fans out there uh for uh from the the listening audience.

SPEAKER_01:

They were bribed. That's why.

SPEAKER_00:

Bribery works wonders, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, exactly. Uh yeah, I mean, now now we're um I'm you know I'm giving it away a little bit of uh some of our secrets on how we get compliments on that podcast. But you know, um hopefully that will no one will hold that against us. Um can you tell us, like Anthony? Obviously, you got that opportunity to do to do the program. Um, did you know anything about your mentor before before you before you actually started the the journey?

SPEAKER_00:

So if you're new to what's your mentor to start with, and then so my mentor was Sean Martin from um the MDF Adventures for APA. Yes. Sean, uh to answer that question, I'd I'd I kind of knew of Sean. I I'd seen him around in different circles. I hadn't ever been formally introduced to him, I didn't know him. Um I I'd heard of him and I'd I'd seen him around. So I was aware of who Sean was, um, seen him speak at different events, and um enough to know that once I found out who my mentor was, I was quite excited about it. The fact that he works in a in the touring kind of space, which is where G Fobb um with touring and river cruising sit, it was a it was a good uh mix there. But I think um just knowing what I'd seen and and heard him speak, the type of person he was, I thought was going to be a great fit for me.

SPEAKER_01:

Great guy, actually. Um a lot of experience is um yeah. Um but you know, when you so obviously you had you you didn't know him before, or like you didn't know him personally. And how did you like the first time you met, like how did uh how did you you two connect?

SPEAKER_00:

Um I think like I said, it was it seemed quite easy. Um Sean's, you know, for anyone that knows him, he's a really genuine down-to-earth guy. So our first meeting, unfortunately, we weren't able to meet at the um the induction. I was the way, so I did my kind of induction online with Penny. Um, and then we kind of just connected at our first meeting. Um so being such a genuine down-to-earth bloke as Sean is, it was very easy. I think he's got that experience, which put put you at ease, and we just started chatting like we are now, we're just having a conversation. Um, and it started that way. He asked me a couple of questions about me personally, and I back to him. Um, and we just started conversing. And it's amazing how um how easy it was from that point of view. Uh, I I truly think not only just because of who Sean is as the person and the type of leader he is, but I think I put a lot of um credit to the way that maybe the time committee select the mentors for you. I think that's very important. I actually think that's probably one of the most important parts of the process is that expression of interest. I think um having being 100% open and honest with yourself in doing that. Um not everyone knows what they want to get out of the process. Um like I if you said me at the start, list 10 things you want to achieve and the goals you want to have by the time you finish your six months of time, I probably wouldn't have been able to list half of them because I it's okay not to know exactly when to get out of it. But I was very open and honest about where I was in my life and career, the kind of things I wanted to do. Um I guess the committee and whoever went through that process of picking the right mentor used that information and matched me perfectly. So I couldn't have asked for someone better than Sean. Um, and like I said, we we met up for that first time and we just started having a chat. Um, and I kept that kind of thought pattern throughout the whole thing. I was just very open, very honest, and like I said, be a bit vulnerable sometimes. Um, and it it really worked because I think you know that your mentors are giving up so much of their own spare time to help you. They're not, you know, they're not getting anything out of it other than knowing that they're helping someone uh achieve. And I think respecting that by giving your all to it, I think uh, you know, Sean probably appreciated the fact I was very open and honest. Um, he knew he the time he was giving me was really beneficial to me, um, and probably giving him you know that kind of sense of satisfaction knowing he was helping someone too. So um I think that's the big thing I take out of it. Being open and honest um and just having that open conversation made a big difference to the way it started for us.

SPEAKER_02:

So as I understand your APIs or your objective for the program ride, you were probably a bit on the pathway of professional thought searching. Um how has Sean helped you to achieve that?

SPEAKER_00:

Um there's been lots of kind of strategies and tools that Sean's given me over the program. I think it's you know, I knew, I like I said before, I love the job I'm doing and I'm happy doing what I'm doing, but I do know I want to progress. There's more I can achieve uh and the things I like in in my roles and helping others and everything there, I could possibly take that to another level. So I kind of knew I wanted to move, but I didn't necessarily know exactly this is the role I want and this is what I must do. So having that kind of conversation with Sean too, and he a couple of things he said to me is you you don't need to know exactly what you want to do, but learn the kind of things that you're good at. Learn the things and open, you know, think about the things you you like to do because there may be a role you'd never even thought of before that comes up that you don't even think of because you're just thinking, I want to do this, I want to do that. So he kind of he makes you step back and stop and think about what it is I want to get to, um, and gave me those some of those tools and strategies. So I think having those kind of open conversations, having those steps laid out, the way he kind of encouraged me to do little every every, you know, we caught up every two weeks, little activities, and and um he gave me kind of like something to work on in that two weeks before the next one, I think um really made it easy just to kind of have a nice structured approach over the six months.

SPEAKER_02:

So you did mention as well on jumping in all the time, it's so rude of me.

SPEAKER_01:

Some things never change even in 2020. Some things never change in that relationship, Anthony. You will know you will learn that, you know, as you grow in in age, because obviously you're half my age. Look, I said he looks half your age.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, sorry. Back to back to you, Anthony. So so you mentioned before um uh learning your tools, being open and honest, having the conversations, being vulnerable. So there probably were some let's just call it painful moments throughout the journey there. Um or maybe let's call it intense growth moments. Is there anything you can share around those lines and what it actually changed to you, maybe as a leader, or how you perceive this within your role? Or what the outcome really was, but can you share one of those special learning moments?

SPEAKER_00:

Um there was probably a few. I mean, nothing too painful. Um, like I said, as much as I said earlier, I don't like talking about myself. I managed to um talk a lot sometimes. So probably a lot of those conversations kind of flowed back and forward, and and there was a lot of learnings from my part there. One of the things um I did kind of get out of it was I'm someone who I I heard in one of your other episodes you're talking about, you know, introverts and extroverts and whether whether, you know, who who falls into what category. And I'm probably someone who um is normally quite extroverted in some ways, like um give me a microphone in karaoke and you won't shut me up. But um, you put me in a a room, a networking event, a room full of people, uh, to the thought of having to walk up to a group of people already in conversation, introduce myself and just kind of join in and already kind of started conversation in that group was um something I found and probably still do a bit terrifying, to be honest with you. Um, you know, having conversation with people, if I'm introduced to someone who knows someone, I'll happily talk all day. But kind of approaching a situation was something that I found quite um quite daunting. So part of this process, that was one of the things I said to Sean early on. It wasn't that he's you know, just walk up and say hello to someone stranger and start a conversation, but just these tools and strategies to expand my network and other ways you can do it without just having to be that super, super extroverted person by just changing the personality. You I don't think there's some people who can and can learn to do that. Um, I'm someone who's always me, you know, love me or hate me, I am who I am. So um I'm not gonna instantly change my personality overnight, just be able to walk up to 10 people and go, Oh, I'm Anthony, and kind of start start joining in or leading a conversation. Um, so these strategies Sean gave me to grow that network and kind of I guess meeting more people and creating more genuine relationships, that then means the next time I walk into that room, I will know more people there. And I will be able to walk up to a group because I'll know half the people in it. So these little steps that can help you achieve those same things without completely switching who you are, um, I think was a really, really good thing for me.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and I I believe that this is also going to help you on your day-to-day because you're going to walk into environments like you were saying, like talking about development of the development of your business, you know, in your in your area, and then you know, helping these businesses being more comfortable in you know social um settings will allow you to be more comfortable with them and then obviously helping them grow their business, uh, you know, so uh it's uh it works both ways, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I definitely think so. That's the the great benefit of this program. It can help you in the role you're in now just as much as it can help you get to one you may want in the future. Um, I think it's such a such a great opportunity that we've got this organization and this group of people who give so much of their time to want to help and develop others. Um, one of the things Sean said to me early on was good leaders want to help other people. And it doesn't have to be just leaders in your own brands. And it was kind of true. So one of the things we did, he he he sent me a challenge to reach out to the people within the industry that I respect and that I would like to learn for. And I reached out and hey, I'm I'm doing the time program. I would love to catch up for a you know half an hour for a coffee or a bite to eat and just pick your brains about your career and things like that. Not expecting to get any magic, magic bullets from people, but um maybe just learning one or two little things that helped them in their career that I could learn from as well. So not only was that helping me in my current role and these bits of information I was getting to help me develop, I was expanding that network and meeting people, and it it's all just keep snowballing from there. So um a really fantastic, fantastic program to have for them, anyways.

SPEAKER_01:

I just note that I did not receive an invite from you at the time to connect with me, but that's okay. I will not be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm just jealous of your good looks. That's that's the only thing, isn't it? So you know, you know, I just just I just didn't want to be um yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So you do think that I'm intimidating, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it is and so and my my bribe money is on the post too now, is it? Is that right?

SPEAKER_02:

I love that you said you're not expecting a magic bullet there, or you know, like the one big moment that something changes everything around and something herodizes everywhere. Um we know that only happens at a French bakery, but um Is there something you can share with Arno and me that is a learning for us?

SPEAKER_00:

Well that's a big one. That's a big one. A learning for you guys. I think it's um that's that's a very good question. A learning for you guys. You know, with with the kind of knowledge and experience you guys have had, I think there's probably not much you guys don't know, do you really? I'm just too young, naive, and dumb.

SPEAKER_01:

Don't forget, I'm twice your age, but I still have to learn, and then Timo is half yours.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, no, it's it's one of the things I think um I I think one of the things like I said, I just love for it is the thing that I got out of it was just being yourself. You it's you can't keep up these act and these pretenses, and with your with a mentor or something like that, you you can't you can't keep up this facade and and these walls up. So I think it's a great opportunity to really uh let yourself be honest uh and genuine. Um So I think I don't know about you guys have thought in your careers over the time. You know, yeah, I've got some great leaders within the Globus family of brands that I I do speak to and they help and develop and I I really appreciate them for that. But it's nice to have someone external, um, to have someone that um you can you can talk to. Everything's you know confidential and you can talk to about um a bit more openly. Because you know, if you were talking to your direct line manager, you might be a bit bit more guarded with what you say, because you they might be conducting an interview with you in a month's time for a roll you want to something. So some people maybe get a bit nervous. Um I'm lucky enough that I'd like said I'd I just say what I think most of the time, so my leaders probably know where I stand. But having someone external that you can just talk to, you can ask advice, you can get guidance without any fear of what they think and how it might um impact you currently, I think is a great thing. So I don't know whether you think the same. If you're you know, part of the program, the mentoring. It's such it's such a great opportunity to have someone outside of your organization to really give you that that opportunity and feedback.

SPEAKER_01:

I absolutely agree with you. I think that, you know, like correct me if I'm wrong, Timo, but I'm sure that last year when we had that episode with Penny, she said exactly the same. And she was talking about herself, right? You know, like some of the mentors that she has outside of the industry and all that. But I think that it's very much the same sort of thing that when you're doing something, you're too much into it, having a second pair of eyes looking at the same situation gives you or like opens up your your perspective a lot a lot more. And um, and I think this is this is what you you've discovered. And you know, like especially from Sean, you have someone that has like such a big experience, right? And um, and you know, he's giving you also like a different point of view, like his kind of same landscape as you, you know, if what's incorporating, like his company does something different than yours, but you know, like there's always something that you his experience is gonna is is gonna benefit yours, and vice versa, he's probably learned all sorts of stuff, you know, from from you, not necessarily about what your company does, but you know, like from some of the the approach that you have on some of the the challenges that you face. And so I think it's it's great. It makes our industry so much richer because we kind of like share, you know, our experiences. And like you say, like if you're being genuine, then you know, you kind of like maximize the opportunities. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I 100% agree. I think because when you're talking to someone that you work with day to day in your own organization, they kind of, you know, they get to know each other and you maybe have these perceptions of each other and different things there. So having someone completely outside that's just taking on face value of what you're saying to them and what they're hearing and seeing in that moment. Um, as I said before, look, I came into this not knowing the 10 things I wanted to get out of it as such, but half the things I did get out of it, I didn't think about at the start. They weren't things necessarily that I had front of mind. But having those conversations with Sean and him being such a good mentor and a leader picked up on those things I commented on, those things I said, and would circle back to that. And then we'd kind of delve into that side of things a little bit more. So I think having that outside perspective does just give someone the opportunity to just look at you at face, what you're saying at face value, and really possibly take things in another direction.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I agree. I think um what you mentioned first, yeah, being able to be yourself um in whatever capacity or role you do is is utmost crucial to be successful, I think. Um you know, having the right culture around you that lets you thrive your way and um share your energy with the with the industry in a in a appropriate, obviously, um matter. Um upmost crucial. I personally also think having someone from the outside and having to explain your situation to them, that alone is such a clarifying process. Suddenly you think about okay, how do I put all those things that I have in my head and that I wonder and worry and not worry and survive and whatever it is. How do I present that to someone so that they so they understand? That process for me is really a very clarifying thing to do, and then obviously getting the insights from someone who has a completely different life experience, and my mentor, for example, was on the very opposite end of the industry, so that made it very interesting to get their uh thoughts around, you know, my packaging. So that was um yeah, very insightful. Um we usually have a lovely question that I always love a lot, but because the cost of living is quite high, we have to increase the value a little bit. Anthony, I'd love to know from you um in the updated version, the 2026 question, um something you bought in the last, let's say, three months that was less than 100 Australian dollars that has inspired you or changed your life.

SPEAKER_00:

That's a very interesting question. Less than$100, and that's inspired me or changed my life.

SPEAKER_02:

Last year was$50. It was even harder to answer. Now it's a hundred dollars.

SPEAKER_00:

$50.$50, it would just have to be a cart and a beer, I think, or something like that, wouldn't it? That'd probably think, you know, that can always change the life after a good drink. But um I I think one of one of the things I actually did do, and it actually came out of my mentoring with Sean, was um I bought myself a nice notebook uh to doing this because I actually um I was sitting there having a conversation with him one day, and I don't know why throughout my whole career, uh, you know, when people are sitting there and you're listening in a reading room, certainly it's either tapping away notes on a laptop or writing out books. I always like to give just 100% attention to who was speaking. I kind of was just listening, trying to take it all in. Um, because I in my own mind I felt I don't want to be rude and take notes and what have you. I just I just want to listen because maybe while I'm writing I'm gonna drift off and I'm not gonna I'm gonna miss something TJ said. Um and I said that to Schumann, he goes, Look, that's a really good way to think about it. But he goes, sometimes you also think if he's speaking, the fact when he sees someone writing notes, it validates to him that he's saying something they want to take notes down and they want to listen to that. I thought I'd never thought about it like that. I didn't, you know, here I am going, I just want to focus them and look at them in the eyes and know that I'm listening to what they're saying. But then, you know, then I'd make notes afterwards or this and that. So I've never thought for a fact that the fact I wasn't necessarily making notes was something that um they might think, oh, is he not interested in what I'm saying? So I went out and bought myself a um after he made that comment, uh, a notebook um for specifically for that. So, and it's amazing now when you do jot down little dot points and this and that when someone's speaking, how much easier it is to remember afterwards, not trying to walk out of the room and go, what were those five golden tickets they said? I can only remember three. Um so it took me a long time to to learn that process of that rule. But um that that was probably something that has been a bit of a game changer for me. Um, because as I'm getting older, my memory's not that great anymore. So uh, you know, I've got to um get to jot them down while I think about them.

SPEAKER_02:

That was a man.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, really good point. Really good point. I also heard like uh uh on a podcast that I uh I listened to um you know from um uh from Pan Newport. I don't know if anyone any of you knows who he is, but um it's all about like you know productivity and um and he bought himself specifically for the tasks that are very important to him, an expensive one. So he has like a notebook where he takes notes, you know, like you know, on almost a daily basis, but for like the important projects that he has that you when he writes books, or when he writes like, I don't know, like um articles, he he contributes to like the New Yorker and stuff on a monthly basis. But he has like an expensive notebook, and then he said like he purposely bought as an expensive one because he wants to, and also he uses it because it's so expensive that you know it it needs to be used because otherwise it's money, you know, like thrown down the drain, right? And so all these most important projects when he writes books, you know, like when he when he maps up, like you know, what's what the book is gonna look like, he does it in his not books because that gives a lot more importance to to his work. And I think yeah, it's uh it's a really good point.

SPEAKER_02:

Nice. Awesome. We're coming to the end. There's just one final question that is spontaneous and has never been asked before, Anthony. And we will see, depending on how you answer it, if it will become a 2026 regular question.

SPEAKER_00:

No pressure now.

SPEAKER_02:

All right. So on a scale from one to ten, how many points do you give Arnold for his outfit today? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00:

Is that the most important question of 2026, really? Look, to to be honest with you, um, that is exactly my kind of outfit. When I'm not at work and I'm not in, you know, pr professional clothes or something like that. I'm I'm a country Queensland boy originally. I'm at home in a singlet shorts and a pair of thongs. So I think um that's the only way to dress comfortably when you need to. So, you know, if you you know, a singlet or a you know, tank top, especially uh in the warm weather up here, that's I think that's fantastic. Ten out of ten.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you go on. I think that you and I are alter egos. We have the same hair, not exactly the same bead, because yours is a little bit more coloured than mine. Um you know, we wear the same colored top today. 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_00:

Two pieces in a pod.

SPEAKER_01:

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02:

Get a room, guys. Get a room.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh dear. You get you get a dress comfortably, don't you?

SPEAKER_02:

That's all right.

SPEAKER_00:

You you get a dress comfortably. You may as well be comfortable.

unknown:

Absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02:

We can't have an episode without having spoken about fashion, you know, so it was a good way to get to re-introduce. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh, because anyone who knows me knows I'm a fashionist or I'm a fashion icon, you know. If it's uh I my kind of fashion is having several different pairs of thongs. I've got my workout thongs and my mowing thongs and my round-the-house thongs, you know what I mean. We're talking the Australian version of thongs here, too, by the way, not the American one. But um so it's uh we've got a short thong.

SPEAKER_01:

We're not judging exactly what you want to wear. Like we're not gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_00:

It's too what makes you happy, but it's all it's all about comfort to me. But no, it's um yeah, I I I'm a big fashion guy, so you've you got the right question for me there. Great.

SPEAKER_02:

Thank you. Lovely. Well, Anthony, thanks so much for your time and for sharing um your insights there. Really appreciate it. And I hope I'll meet you at one of the time events pretty soon.

SPEAKER_00:

No, definitely. Thanks for having me on, guys. Really appreciate it. Thanks to you to you both and also to the whole time team for everything they do, the time they give up to us, uh, whether it be the committee in Sydney um or you know the state based members supporting all our local events. So I really appreciate everything everyone there does.

SPEAKER_02:

Bye.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you. Thanks. Bye. Bye bye.